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re: Auburn has the best team in the SEC
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:28 pm to Tillman
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:28 pm to Tillman
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ok, i disagree. and again, most of the recent SEC titles were Bama and Florida. you can't say it is the best conference based on 2 programs.
LSU won it in 2007 and Auburn in 2010...Auburn played for it again in 2013. It isn't as top heavy as you'd like to pretend. Bama has always been the standard in the SEC and that hasn't changed. The only difference is the boats are all floating higher including Bama.
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Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:30 pm to Tillman
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how often do you see P5 teams play the lower half of the SEC?
It is an SEC scheduling requirement now. All SEC teams have to play 1 P5 opponent each season. As I stated in my earlier post.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:30 pm to Tigerman97
Auburn playing for it a few years ago was a fluke though, they got so lucky in bama and uga games. lol that team wasn't that good.
the Cam Newtwon year at AUburn came out of nowhere and they went 8-5 and then like 3-11 the next two seasons. there is no consistency there.
i think LSU's win with Miles was bit of a fluke. not a great scoring team if i recall.
the Cam Newtwon year at AUburn came out of nowhere and they went 8-5 and then like 3-11 the next two seasons. there is no consistency there.
i think LSU's win with Miles was bit of a fluke. not a great scoring team if i recall.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:33 pm to Tillman
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Auburn playing for it a few years ago was a fluke though, they got so lucky in bama and uga games. lol that team wasn't that good.
Similar to how Clemson got lucky against NCState this season??? FSU was 13 seconds from seeing that we weren't that good, much like ya'll were 3 seconds from being a bridesmaid again this season. Thankfully they games still got played to completion for you and FSU.
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the Cam Newtwon year at AUburn came out of nowhere and they went 8-5 and then like 3-11 the next two seasons. there is no consistency there.
Welcome to life in a conference that exposes weakness. As an ACC fan I can understand why you wouldn't grasp this fact.
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i think LSU's win with Miles was bit of a fluke. not a great scoring team if i recall.
Ironically, any championship has these fluke moments you speak of including your own. Some of us just call that, football.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:34 pm to Tigerman97
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t is an SEC scheduling requirement now. All SEC teams have to play 1 P5 opponent each season. As I stated in my earlier post.
ok, the issue I have is people act like the SEC teams who don't win the conference in a season are still championshihp type teams, simply because some of them won titles in the past. that's the core of SEC bias.
every season is different and teams need to be looked at objectively.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:38 pm to Tigerman97
there goes that assertion again that ACC isn't a good conference, simply because your team doesn't play in it.
on the filed this year, ACC beat SEC teams. yet you still assert it is better conference.
CLemson didn't get lucky. kicking FGs is part of the game and they have a terrible field goal kicker.
and they could have still won it it overtime and failed to do so. they knocked out starting NFL RB out of the game early on what was close to targetting and Clemson overcame that and 4 turnovers to win.
on the filed this year, ACC beat SEC teams. yet you still assert it is better conference.
CLemson didn't get lucky. kicking FGs is part of the game and they have a terrible field goal kicker.
and they could have still won it it overtime and failed to do so. they knocked out starting NFL RB out of the game early on what was close to targetting and Clemson overcame that and 4 turnovers to win.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:40 pm to Tillman
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ok, the issue I have is people act like the SEC teams who don't win the conference are championshihp type teams every season, simply because some of them won titles in the past. that's the core of SEC bias. every season is different and teams need to be looked at objectively.
Personally, I don't see it that way. But to use a counter argument that is ignorant and void of facts seems crazy as well.
The SEC vs P5 records from 2006-2014 speak for themselves. Bama, Florida, LSU and Auburn all winning titles with Auburn playing to within 13 seconds of another matters and speaks for itself. The SEC was the best conference in that stretch. It seemed clear to me the SEC was pretty Average by SEC standards in 2015 and 2016 and the gap was closed. This is the first time in Dabo's career that he has ever beaten 2 SEC teams in the same season. He managed 3 this year. So in the midst of this run he has been on at Clemson only in 2016 has he figured out how to go better than .500 playing against SEC teams. From 2006-2014 week to week it was a difficult challenge in the SEC, more so than any other conference. Iron sharpens iron and it often paid off in the bowl season against other P5 opponents especially at the championship level. I would argue in 2016 Clemson benefitted from an ACC conference that was stronger than it has been in some time with FSU and Louisville able to beat anyone and a few other teams that had enough to give you a game.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:41 pm to Tillman
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CLemson didn't get lucky. kicking FGs is part of the game and they have a terrible field goal kicker.
If you don't think a College kicker missing chip shot field goals is luck then you don't understand the game. Knocking down a 4 and 18 pass is also part of the game.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:41 pm to Tigerman97
ok, i just don't get this bizarre desire by fans of SEC teams to conference cheerlead. you guys hardly even talking about your programs, it all about the SEC. so weird.
somebody just needs to give you a trophy for best conference every year and i think most of you will be happy. lol
Dabo's lost to highly ranked SEC teams. highly ranked SEC teams does not equal SEC as a whole. in two of those season he lost to SC, he beat a SEC team that SC lost to, , LSU and UGA.
somebody just needs to give you a trophy for best conference every year and i think most of you will be happy. lol
Dabo's lost to highly ranked SEC teams. highly ranked SEC teams does not equal SEC as a whole. in two of those season he lost to SC, he beat a SEC team that SC lost to, , LSU and UGA.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:46 pm to Tillman
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ok, i just don't get this bizarre desire by fans of SEC teams to conference cheerlead. you guys hardly even talking about your programs, it all about the SEC. so weird.
somebody just needs to give you a trophy for best conference every year and i think most of you will be happy. lol
I realize that as a Clemson fan you view SEC fans via USCe fans for the most part. I don't conference cheerlead. I think it is pretty obvious that from 2006-2014 the SEC was significantly better than the other conferences both at the top tier and middle tier levels. I also believe the data supports that thought. I also believe most of the modern era the SEC has been strong in football. With a couple of teams year to year that can play with anyone. I also believe the data supports that as well. I believe in 2016 the ACC was stronger than I can remember at any time in my many, many years watching CFB. I believe the small single season data sampling against other P5 opponents would support that also.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:48 pm to Tigerman97
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f you don't think a College kicker missing chip shot field goals is luck then you don't understand the game. Knocking down a 4 and 18 pass is also part of the game.
they didn't lose b/c of that kick, homey. CLemson didn't execute on some plays too, had 4 turnovers.
you are basically saying if CLemson bball team left a 5 percent 3 point shooter wide open at the buzzer and he missed and it went to overtime, Clemson got lucky.
nc state had the option of trying to score a TD, and chose to go for FG with a bad kicker.
Pitt made a 55 yard kick on Clemson with 6 seconds left to win. why the excuse for NCSU.
you also didn't know that Clemson blocked the NCSU's previouss previous kick.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:51 pm to Tillman
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they didn't lose b/c of that kick, homey. CLemson didn't execute on some plays too, had 4 turnovers.
you are basically saying if CLemson bball team left a 5 percent 3 point shooter wide open at the buzzer and he missed and it went to overtime, Clemson got lucky.
it is luck to have a team miss chip shot. it's college.
you claim Auburn got lucky in 2013. you actually claim against two teams, but it is pure ignorance to suggest the Iron Bowl was lucky. so let's look at uga. Auburn can also site aspects of that game like you sited that if they hadn't happened Auburn would have won handily. again that's the beauty of football. all of it is part of the game. it isn't luck bad or good. it's football.
it is luck when a college kicker misses a FG inside of 35 yards. heck a decent kicker should be good from 42 yards at that level.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:52 pm to Tigerman97
it's not luck on Clemson's side. it is a lack of skill on NCSU's part.
it is a win for a defense to force a FG.
i never heard anybody say FSU got lucky two years ago when Clemson missed two FGs. lol
so was it lucky when Clemson's best RB was knocked out on targetting play early in game. or the 4 turnovers. so lucky. lol
if NCSU was truly better team, why did they lose in one overtime.
it is a win for a defense to force a FG.
i never heard anybody say FSU got lucky two years ago when Clemson missed two FGs. lol
so was it lucky when Clemson's best RB was knocked out on targetting play early in game. or the 4 turnovers. so lucky. lol
if NCSU was truly better team, why did they lose in one overtime.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:56 pm to Tillman
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i never heard anybody say FSU got lucky two years ago when Clemson missed two FGs. lol
to be fair NCState missed 3 chip shots. all of them would have won that game. UofL simply needed one player to dive instead of run to the first down and they beat Clemson, maybe Clemson was lucky he didn't dive. i am only playing devil's advocate for a homer like you. to me all of that is just football. it's part of the game. just like the auburn win in 2013. you suggested auburn getting to the title game in 2013 was luck, not me.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 9:57 pm to Tigerman97
what happened in those two auburn games isn't comparable to a bad kicker missing a FG. lol everybody thinks Gus made a deal with the devil that year. lol
one of NCSU's kicks was blocked.
one of NCSU's kicks was blocked.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:00 pm to Tillman
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what happened in those two auburn games isn't comparable to a bad kicker missing a FG. lol
what is the 2nd lucky thing you keep talking about with Auburn 2013?
i guess you are as thankful the NCState kicker is bad as i am that the uga/UofL corner was/is.
it was blocked because the guy chocked the kick, at that level a kicker shouldn't choke. be thankful for your so called luck.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:01 pm to Tigerman97
a bad kicker not making a kick doesn't mean the other team is lucky. lol you got to execute in sports.
they still could have won in overtime. they didn't.
they still could have won in overtime. they didn't.
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:03 pm to Tillman
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they still could have won in overtime. they didn't.
what does that matter? ya'll could have lost in regulation...but thanks to some good fortune you didn't.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:03 pm to Tigerman97
yes our good fortune, gallman knocked out of game early, 4 turnovers, one of NC State's 2 TDs was a pick 6, etc. so lucky Clemson was that day. lol
keep in mind NC STate thrashed Vandy who was competitive in the SEC this year. lol CU beat that without gallman and 4 turnovers. lol
keep in mind NC STate thrashed Vandy who was competitive in the SEC this year. lol CU beat that without gallman and 4 turnovers. lol
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 3/25/17 at 10:05 pm to Tillman
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yes our good fortune, gallman knocked out of game early, 4 turnovers, one of NC State's 2 TDs was a pick 6, etc. so lucky Clemson was that day. lol
i always enjoy when your homer nature comes out.
FYI...injuries are a part of football...turnovers happen...defenses score, etc...this is all part of the game.
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