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Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:48 pm to AMM AU9893
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:48 pm to AMM AU9893
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I'm not sold on that
You will be based on how the D plays the rest of the season. Experience really matters.
ETA: Maybe not this weekend, because we don't match up with Arky very well. But as for UF, LSU, UGA, and Bama, I think you will see more of the SC game than the Clemson game.
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:50 pm to Sigma
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Roof will be back, so get used to it.
I highly doubt that. Everywhere he's been, the team has fielded a shitty defense. It isn't just because we run a HUNH offense. This year your excuse is youth. When he got here, the excuse was depth. Last year he had Fairley, and we still ranked mid/low in defensive stats. It's time to lose the excuses and eliminate the problem, which is Roof...
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I think (probably like you) KF gives us a better opportunity to win long term, especially if we can't get better pass protection
I agree with this 100%. However, even if the pass protection isn't there, he can at least tuck it and run, unlike Trotter... It also seems like Trotter is staring down WRs and not looking off the defense. When nothing is there, he takes a sack. He's also been making horrible decisions with the ball lately.
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AJ Greene has had a rough go of it
TBH, I've never been impressed with him.
He was abused last year before being hurt, and has been abused everytime this season...
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but Eltoro is improving.
Meh, dude can't een learn the playbook. It sucks, too. He has all the talent and build you look for in a compact LBer. He's also pretty fast.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:54 pm to blzr
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but who the frick kidnapped Malzahn?
I think that was a Chizik Offense and Defense yesterday. Equal and opposite reaction thing...
Posted on 10/2/11 at 7:59 pm to TTsTowel
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Everywhere he's been, the team has fielded a shitty defense. It isn't just because we run a HUNH offense. This year your excuse is youth. When he got here, the excuse was depth. Last year he had Fairley, and we still ranked mid/low in defensive stats.
You are waaaay off on all of the above. If I cared enough (and I believe this has been hashed out on this board earlier in the year), I would go pull out all of Roof's stats in his previous stops, typical defensive stats opposite HUNH offenses, Tuberville's 2008 recruiting class, lack of experience in 2011, etc. These are LEGITIMATE reasons why our defense struggles at times.
Just watch the back half of this season. Watch our youngsters mature. I bet you will feel differently about Roof in November.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:05 pm to Sigma
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:09 pm to TTsTowel
Yea, my biggest concern is that Chiz is a Tampa 2 guy, which is primarily a zone defense. However, when i've watched Roof's defenses in the past, they have been a pretty heavy zone defense as well, but they do blitz more. Chizik has definitely gotten more hands on with the D as far as practice goes, but I'm not so sure they was necessarily his D.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:10 pm to TTsTowel
Roof and chizik where having a heated conversation when SC was about to have a 3rd & 17-20ish. Chiz was pissed and you could tell by chiziks hand expressions that he was explaining to roof the saftey positions. I saw several indications that told me chiz was still letting roof have input but when he didn't like what roof called he changed it.
I'm sure roof is still getting a chance to try but fwiw, IMO, next Saturday win ot lose, chiz is calling the shots. Doesn't mean that all the good defensive plays chiz calls and all the bad ones roof calls but I do believe roof still has some input.
Put it this way, the weakest part of our D has been tackling. If they can correct even half of it we will win a couple of more games.
I'm sure roof is still getting a chance to try but fwiw, IMO, next Saturday win ot lose, chiz is calling the shots. Doesn't mean that all the good defensive plays chiz calls and all the bad ones roof calls but I do believe roof still has some input.
Put it this way, the weakest part of our D has been tackling. If they can correct even half of it we will win a couple of more games.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:11 pm to TTsTowel
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LINK You were saying...
Typical. You have to dig deeper. Every coach is not dealt the same hand.
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:20 pm to Sigma
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:20 pm to ALcapone
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:24 pm to Sigma
roof has sucked everywhere he has been. i dont see why you are even trying to argue that. at duke he sucked, gt, and then minnesota. dont you think there is a reason he was the DC at minnesota and duke(HC), and not at a half way decent school? he sucks, and is a middle of the road (at best) DC.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:26 pm to Stanky Legg
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bullshite.
You need to go back and look at their respective defensive philosophies.
Chizik mainly plays zone. He likes to keep plays in front of the defense and force the offense to have long drives where they have to execute repeatedly to score.
Roof prefers playing man. He likes blitzing, attacking-type defenses.
What you saw yesterday was Chiz acquiescing to Roof because it's hard to play "bend but don't break" when your DL can't get pressure and your D can't tackle. Whomever is claiming that yesterday was Chizik's D has instantly outed themselves as someone who doesn't know dick about football or our team.
So, you would say, a "bend but don't break" philosophy would then give up more yards, but less points then, correct? No big plays? Keep everything in front of you?
Okay, let's look at that then. I've already covered what Chizik accomplished as a DC in scoring D (7/8 years in the top 32). Let's look at his defenses based on total defense.
2005 (Texas) - 10th - 302.9 yds/game
2004 (Auburn) - 5th - 277.6 yds/game
2003 (Auburn) - 5th - 281.6 yds/game
2002 (Auburn) - 26th - 328.1 yds/game
2001 (UCF) - 16th - 307.3 yds/game
2000 (UCF) - 28th - 323.8 yds/game
1999 (UCF) - 60th - 373.7 yds/game
1998 (UCF) - 26th - 322.2 yds/game
So out of 8 years being a DC, he's defenses have finished in the top 28 7 times.
And to further prove my point, here are some shots of Texas '05 defense. I spent maybe 5 minutes searching for this to prove my point.
The MLB and FS are both going to zone, while the 2 CBs, SS, and OLBs are playing man.
Same thing on this play, except the SS moves into the box to cover the RB.
Here is a blitz that you say Chizik never used.
The DE slides out and gets the FB coming out of the backfield while the blitzer effects the QB throw.
Another OLB blitz, with man played on the outside. The SS has walked up into the box. I saw McNeal do this a couple of times yesterday...
Three WRs on the top are all lined up man to man, while the OLB blitzes.
I could add more, if you need it.
This post was edited on 10/2/11 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:31 pm to joeyb147
With the boom, we played a good bit of man in 04 IIRC
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:33 pm to joeyb147
Seriously? You pick out a few plays to characterize an entire philosophy? No wonder TT cited your work...
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:34 pm to TTsTowel
Why dont you share where you "heard"?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:35 pm to TTsTowel
Chiz had to continue the spurrier/sc losing streak to Aub..
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Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:36 pm to Sigma
so are you actually backing roof for the defense he has fielded at auburn?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:36 pm to parkjas2001
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Why dont you share where you "heard"?
The OP pretty much explains it. Just that some have said that Chizik has taken over the D for the most part. Whether it's true or not, who knows. We'll see how the defense is playing and adjusting to certain things. And preparation.
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:37 pm to taylormade
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taylormade
What's going on, taylormade?
Posted on 10/2/11 at 8:37 pm to Sigma
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Seriously? You pick out a few plays to characterize an entire philosophy? No wonder TT cited your work...
Good retort.
I guess when someone actually shows you proof, just go ahead and make up some bullshite.
Should I pick out every single play in Gene Chizik's entire coaching career? Do you know where I could get that?
These were on highlights from only 2 games Texas played in 2005 (Texas A&M & Colorado). You think he didn't deploy this in more than only two?
You truly are pitiful.
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