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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:29 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:29 am to WestCoastAg
This narrative has gone over the river and through the woods all the way to Uncle Nate's house 
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:32 am to TbirdSpur2010
but really, this is where this story is headed and the NCAA wants absolutely no part of this fiasco if it does
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:33 am to WestCoastAg
Hence, why it's been remarkably quiet the past few days, IMO.
I'm past the point of caring. If JFF is cleared to play, great. If not, whatever, I'll place my trust in Sumlin, Snyder, and the Four Horsemen in our RB stable.
I'm past the point of caring. If JFF is cleared to play, great. If not, whatever, I'll place my trust in Sumlin, Snyder, and the Four Horsemen in our RB stable.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:35 am to TbirdSpur2010
i feel the same way. but at the same time, i do believe that at some point you have to say frick this shite and laugh when one group tries soooooooo fricking hard to tear you down, and then fail
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:37 am to TbirdSpur2010
This an honest question, do you think A&M is going to actually play him if this investigation is going on? I just don't see A&M as that shortsighted. Former NCAA officials have already told A&M that if the investigation is ongoing, it would not be smart to play Manziel.
Why is someone like ESPN trying to tear down Manziel? They are only reporting. Who is trying to tear him down?
Why is someone like ESPN trying to tear down Manziel? They are only reporting. Who is trying to tear him down?
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:38 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:40 am to utisdabomb12
quote:they are doing their own investigation. they will play him if they believe they have nothing to worry about
This an honest question, do you think A&M is going to actually play him if this investigation is going on?
quote:never said it was ESPN. but it is interesting that they are the ones to break every single story on this fiasco and they do have a history of driving one side of the story down peoples throats
Why is someone like ESPN trying to tear down Manziel? They are only reporting. Who is trying to tear him down?
fwiw: i dont think ESPN is attacking manziel personally, just saying its funny how much is being put into this story and watching it fail
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:42 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:40 am to utisdabomb12
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This an honest question, do you think A&M is going to actually play him if this investigation is going on?
Who knows? Either way's a gamble for Sumlin and A&M.
If you don't play him, it's a de facto admission of guilt, and would bite us in the arse if nothing comes of the NCAA investigation and we play half the season without our Heisman winner.
If we play him, we give ourselves the best chance to win, but run the risk of him being ruled ineligible. Then again, nothing could come of the investigation and we'd be fine.
It's a catch-22, and no one knows for sure how A&M will play it.
If it were up to me? I'd play him. We're trying to win games, and even WITH Manziel, playing in the SEC West is tough enough as it is. But that's just me.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:44 am to WestCoastAg
1) Fair enough. I just can't see how they "have nothing to worry about". Even if the evidence is circumstantial right now, there's still some evidence that would at least worry A&M about playing him. I'm also not buying that A&M isn't worried about the evidence. A&M's lawyers would have been out in front of the story denying the claims, if there wasn't something behind the evidence.
2) ESPN might break the story, but all types of analysts from Fox Sports and Yahoo have also been discussing the issue/re-tweeting the stories. These guys are simply doing their job. They aren't trying to "tear" Johnny down. If there wasn't anything behind the smoke they wouldn't have anything to report.
3) IMO I don't think it's smart to play him with an ongoing investigation. Really have a chance of getting sanctions, impacting recruiting, etc? One year of potential success doesn't outweigh 5 or 6 years of potential sanctions/negative impact on recruiting IMO.
2) ESPN might break the story, but all types of analysts from Fox Sports and Yahoo have also been discussing the issue/re-tweeting the stories. These guys are simply doing their job. They aren't trying to "tear" Johnny down. If there wasn't anything behind the smoke they wouldn't have anything to report.
3) IMO I don't think it's smart to play him with an ongoing investigation. Really have a chance of getting sanctions, impacting recruiting, etc? One year of potential success doesn't outweigh 5 or 6 years of potential sanctions/negative impact on recruiting IMO.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:48 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:45 am to utisdabomb12
quote:which is exactly what i said here
They aren't trying to "tear" Johnny down. If there wasn't anything behind the smoke they wouldn't have anything to report.
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fwiw: i dont think ESPN is attacking manziel personally, just saying its funny how much is being put into this story and watching it fail
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:45 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:46 am to utisdabomb12
quote:once again, they are obviously doing their own internal investigation. whether he plays or not will be a huge sign. but for what we know right now, there is nothing. that obviously might not be true. but whether or not manziel plays to start the season will be a big sign
Even if the evidence is circumstantial right now, there's still some evidence that would at least worry A&M about playing him. I'm also not buying that A&M isn't worried about the evidence
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:47 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:47 am to WestCoastAg
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once again, they are obviously doing their own internal investigation. whether he plays or not will be a huge sign. but for what we know right now, there is nothing. that obviously might not be true. but whether or not manziel plays to start the season will be a big sign
Yup.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:51 am to TbirdSpur2010
See this is where I disagree. I don't think a suspension by A&M signals anything. I really believe if the investigation is ongoing, they are going to suspend him. It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, the risk of playing him is why they will suspend him. Regardless of the investigation run by A&M's lawyers there's some type of evidence out there or the NCAA wouldn't be investigating. I.e. I really think the internal investigation, in the long run, will have little to no impact on whether Manziel plays or not. If the NCAA investigation is still ongoing, I would say it's almost a certainty that Manziel doesn't play IMO.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:54 am to utisdabomb12
quote:and the NCAA wants no part of where this story is going. if they try to get manziel on him knowing but not stopping the sell of his shite, which is where this story seems to be going, they could easily bring up the NCAA doing the same exact stuff with jerseys, shirts, etc on their very own website. this investigation will probably take months, we are not going to sit him out the entire year. we are going to do our own internal investigation and we will play him, or not, based on what we find. we cant sit and wait for the NCAA to decide in december when the season is already over
. If the NCAA investigation is still ongoing, I would say it's almost a certainty that Manziel doesn't play IMO.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:56 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:57 am to utisdabomb12
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It has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, the risk of playing him is why they will suspend him.
That's your opinion. And you have no idea whether that is a risk A&M is willing to take. Like I said, there's a risk either way. One thing is certain, though, A&M is desperate to win on the gridiron. Hence, the SEC move and renewed focus on improving facilities. Whatever decision is made, it will be with an emphasis on what helps us win games more than anything.
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If the NCAA investigation is still ongoing, I would say it's almost a certainty that Manziel doesn't play IMO.
Nothing is even close to a certainty at this point.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:57 am to WestCoastAg
Again there's a huge risk of playing him (former NCAA officials have even said this). The only way to find out what happens, is to wait and see what A&M does. IMO though if the investigation is ongoing, Manziel won't be playing.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 2:59 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:58 am to utisdabomb12
quote:and that would be a huge mistake on our part if that happens
IMO though if the investigation is ongoing, Manziel won't be playing.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:59 am to WestCoastAg
You won't be saying that if Manziel is found to be in violation of NCAA rules. I know Finebaum is an idiot, but you should really listen to some of the interviews he conducted yesterday. They tend to believe that there's about a 65-75 percent chance that Manziel won't be on the field. I take everything Finebaum says with a grain of salt, but the people he interviewed made some decent points.
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This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 3:03 am
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:02 am to utisdabomb12
for the last fricking time, we will do our own investigation. if we find anything messed up he wont play. what do you not understand? if we find absolutely nothing incriminating after, and we still bench him for the fear of the NCAA, then i have no respect for our program. on the other hand, if we do find something and bench him, then we have done the right thing. we can not do anything more idiotic then benching him out of fear
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:02 am to utisdabomb12
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there's a huge risk of playing him (former NCAA officials have even said this).
The risk of NOT playing him is great, also.
Posted on 8/13/13 at 3:05 am to TbirdSpur2010
My point is that the internal investigation will find something that is incriminating, which would justify not playing him. How is an internal investigation going to deny all these sources? How is an internal investigation going to deny the thousands of autographs that were authenticated? How is the investigation going to deny the video that Schad saw? My point is that there's still going to be some type of evidence against Manziel, with A&M investigating, so they will have no choice but not to play him. Your assumption is that A&M will find nothing that incriminates Manziel, which I just don't think is possible. Any type of circumstantial evidence against Manziel will almost force A&M's hand since the potential of NCAA infractions is so substantial.
This post was edited on 8/13/13 at 3:16 am
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