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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:22 pm to utisdabomb12
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:22 pm to utisdabomb12
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Does that make you happy?
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Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:27 pm to tmc94
1) I meant sources not witnesses. But I wouldn't be surprised if witnesses end up coming forward.
2) Never said Texas A&M was a witness.
3) You act like talking to these sources is the only form of evidence. Also, I don't think the sources are scared of tax fraud since one already approached ESPN with the video.
4) Uncle Nate isn't forced to talk to the NCAA, sure. But if he isn't willing to corroborate his story with Manziel, this only gives the NCAA more incentive/reason to punish Manziel.
5) Sure they can't suspend without evidence, but the burden of proof is much lower. The only arbitrary action would be not to suspend Manziel if he's guilty, after what they did to Ohio State and Georgia. Let them sue the NCAA then they can force Uncle Nate to answer questions and be more intrusive. No way in hell the Manziels are going to sue the NCAA, because that will open a bag of garbage.
6) So delusional to think the tape won't be evidence. It's not what the broker told Schad, it's what Schad heard on the video.
7) You can't be that delusional?
This isn't about football, I can't stop laughing. Isn't his nickname "Johnny Football"?
2) Never said Texas A&M was a witness.
3) You act like talking to these sources is the only form of evidence. Also, I don't think the sources are scared of tax fraud since one already approached ESPN with the video.
4) Uncle Nate isn't forced to talk to the NCAA, sure. But if he isn't willing to corroborate his story with Manziel, this only gives the NCAA more incentive/reason to punish Manziel.
5) Sure they can't suspend without evidence, but the burden of proof is much lower. The only arbitrary action would be not to suspend Manziel if he's guilty, after what they did to Ohio State and Georgia. Let them sue the NCAA then they can force Uncle Nate to answer questions and be more intrusive. No way in hell the Manziels are going to sue the NCAA, because that will open a bag of garbage.
6) So delusional to think the tape won't be evidence. It's not what the broker told Schad, it's what Schad heard on the video.
7) You can't be that delusional?
This isn't about football, I can't stop laughing. Isn't his nickname "Johnny Football"?
This post was edited on 8/11/13 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:37 pm to utisdabomb12
Thanks for reviving the thread, it was slowing down.
I bet you wish all that crap you type made a difference.
I bet you wish all that crap you type made a difference.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:38 pm to TwelfthMan
Doesn't make a difference, just stating my opinion like everyone else. No need to get so defensive. The Aggy was is to deflect criticism and questions, like nothing happened.
This post was edited on 8/11/13 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:41 pm to RollTide316
"Totally free just need to trade in a hurry."
You should have posted a pic of some rims too.
You should have posted a pic of some rims too.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:44 pm to utisdabomb12
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1) I meant sources not witnesses. But I wouldn't be surprised if witnesses end up coming forward.
As far as we know this statement is still not true. The NCAA received a tip that Tieman may have paid Manziel and that person told them he saw them together. That tipster has said on record to ESPN that he saw no money change hands. That's pretty much the extent of what ESPN has reported the NCAA has. What they actually have no one knows.
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2) Never said Texas A&M was a witness.
Actually you did: "multiple outside parties like Uncle Nate/Texas A&M there's a chance of mistakes."
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3) You act like talking to these sources is the only form of evidence. Also, I don't think the sources are scared of tax fraud since one already approached ESPN with the video.
One talked to Schad anonymously and made a point that he wouldn't go on record with ESPN or the NCAA. Evidence necessary here would include tax fraud.
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But if he isn't willing to corroborate his story with Manziel, this only gives the NCAA more incentive/reason to punish Manziel.
This is incorrect. The NCAA has no power over Nate and his cooperation or lack thereof has no bearing on the case. Silly to even suggest otherwise.
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6) So delusional to think the tape won't be evidence. It's not what the broker told Schad, it's what Schad heard on the video.
The tape is corroborating evidence. If there was a direct quote from Manziel that was incriminating, you honestly think Schad would have left it out? By itself it's useless. The broker was shopping it and got no buyer. Think about that for a bit.
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This isn't about football
Well, unfortunately you qualified that statement, but no, this thread isn't about football...it's about legalities and NCAA process. Have you made a single mention of a football game or play so far? Football player <> football. Or do you think OJ Simpson's trial was about football too?
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:47 pm to tmc94
they can't make Uncle Nate talk but it has already been established that Nate is his "enabler or Handler". so he has a lot of bearing on JFF's case if he was involved in setting things up and possibly taking the money.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:53 pm to mrbroker
absolutely. Uncle fricker is the key to all this. The problem is that the NCAA lacks any sort of reach on him. He's not a licensed agent and the NCAA's best shot to get him to cooperate is to label him one. But without other evidence that he was paid, they can't even begin going down that road (which is likely to be fruitless anyway).
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:53 pm to tmc94
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Anyone that comes forward to say they paid any athlete would be incriminating themselves of tax fraud
Tax Fraud?...
Please do explain that gem
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:54 pm to arrakis
If you pay someone for services, you are required by the IRS to 1099 them. They take that shite very seriously. Failure to do so is tax fraud. These brokers do it every day and opening their books up to say they were breaking the law would probably get them an IRS anal probe.
This post was edited on 8/11/13 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:55 pm to tmc94
1) Huh? I guess you have a story for every source that's come forward?
2) Can you read? Nowhere in that sentence did I say A&M was a source. Simply, that they will be asked questions and those may not align with Manziel.
3) That was completely non responsive to everything I said.
4) I agree the NCAA has no power over "Uncle Nate". But you are crazy if you think the lack of cooperation by "Uncle Nate" will have zero impact on the NCAA's investigation. If Manziel is "innocent" why wouldn't Uncle Nate speak with the NCAA? Public perception has an effect, even if you don't want to believe it.
5) There were direct quotes. Wow, it's been a whole week of shopping the video that must mean there's no buyers. You can't be that delusional? Really.......
6) You aren't very bright. How are you comparing OJ Simpson's trial and Manziel's case? One is in the court of law and one is handled by the NCAA (the entity that oversees football). Also, of course it's about football. The decision has a clear impact on Manziel's eligibility on the field.
2) Can you read? Nowhere in that sentence did I say A&M was a source. Simply, that they will be asked questions and those may not align with Manziel.
3) That was completely non responsive to everything I said.
4) I agree the NCAA has no power over "Uncle Nate". But you are crazy if you think the lack of cooperation by "Uncle Nate" will have zero impact on the NCAA's investigation. If Manziel is "innocent" why wouldn't Uncle Nate speak with the NCAA? Public perception has an effect, even if you don't want to believe it.
5) There were direct quotes. Wow, it's been a whole week of shopping the video that must mean there's no buyers. You can't be that delusional? Really.......
6) You aren't very bright. How are you comparing OJ Simpson's trial and Manziel's case? One is in the court of law and one is handled by the NCAA (the entity that oversees football). Also, of course it's about football. The decision has a clear impact on Manziel's eligibility on the field.
This post was edited on 8/11/13 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 8/11/13 at 12:56 pm to arrakis
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Tax Fraud?
He's talking out of his butt.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 1:07 pm to utisdabomb12
Wow, TexAgs
Thought everyone would like to see this. Going to say again, "We told you about these guys."
Posted on 8/11/13 at 1:08 pm to utisdabomb12
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He's talking out of his butt.
You are the expert on that.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 1:11 pm to TwelfthMan
Says the guy and fan base that spews everything they can to deny every single fact or piece of evidence. The nonsense I've heard over the past week is unreal.
This post was edited on 8/11/13 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/11/13 at 1:21 pm to utisdabomb12
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1) It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the NCAA starts asking Manziel and Uncle Nate questions. This is where I think Manziel is going to run into trouble. If the NCAA catches him lying about anything or his story doesn't corroborate with Uncle Nate, there will be problems. Really, how is he going to answer a question about signing thousands of autographs at a random person's house?
2) The idea that there has to be a money trail is the funniest thing I've ever heard. This isn't a court of law, the NCAA doesn't have a burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. If they have multiple witnesses and ever get the video that shows Manziel agreeing to take money, he's in trouble. There's been punishments handed down by the NCAA with a lot less evidence then there is currently against Manziel.
3) Everyone keeps saying the NCAA is going to have a disincentive to punish Manziel because of the current court case against the NCAA. Please, if Manziel broke a rule that he agreed to they have no grounds for suing the NCAA (specifically in how they handled this situation). If anything the NCAA has an incentive to punish Manziel to show consistency after punishing AJ Green and the Ohio State players.
4) That video tape is going to surface, just wait and watch. You really think Schad would risk his career on a bold face lie? Once the broker finds a high enough bidder, that video is going to be released.
5) These investigations take a while, so Sumlin is going to have a huge choice to make. Play Manziel and risk sanctions/forfeiting games or suspend him. There's a reason A&M's lawyers haven't really said anything about the issue. They are doing their own investigation, and if they find anything remotely pinning this on Manziel you can expect a suspension by A&M. The risk is too high to play him.
This whole thing has you really upset I see.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 1:24 pm to utisdabomb12
I'm guessing this is Drac, it could be a number of posters though
Posted on 8/11/13 at 1:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
Upset, this whole week has been fantastic. Not because Manziel might get in trouble, but your fanbase showing your true colors to the SEC.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 1:26 pm to utisdabomb12
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Says the guy and fan base that spews everything they can to deny every single fact or piece of evidence. The nonsense I've heard over the past week is unreal.
He absolutely did it, and he's going to get away with it. And when he does, all the tards we left behind in the Big-Whatever are going to lose their fricking minds.
Posted on 8/11/13 at 1:28 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I'm guessing this is Drac, it could be a number of posters though
Latarian IMO. The verbiage is too advanced to be Drac.
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