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re: As the jar cracks - Johnny Manziel's downfall is upon us
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:18 pm to SL Tiger
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:18 pm to SL Tiger
Cowherd: You told USA Today sports that Johnny would be playing against Rice. What give you that confidence?
Darnell: Having seen what they've got and knowing what the truth is, I just feel that's going to happen.
Cowherd: Are you working with TAMU legal team?
Darnell: Sometimes yes
Cowherd: Has JFF met with an NCAA official
Darnell: I can't comment on that
Cowherd: over 2000 items ove been signed by jff, is it your opinion that those were free
Darnell: I can't comment on that
Cowherd: When you are facing video tape that could be viewed as proof against your client
Darnell: You gotta look at whats on the video, and what's not.
Cowherd: Does it help or hurt that this is such a national story?
Darnell: Depends on who you read. Rovell, no, Herbstreit, yes. But there is a new conversation about the NCAA rules,
Cowherd: Have had discussions with JFF
Darnell: Yes, several times
Cowherd: Your job in those discussions is what
Darnell: Just to listen.
Cowherd: does he seem bothered, anxious scared?
Darnell: Like every other 20 yo kid, when you have this many poeple accusing you of things you can get scared, But he knows the true story, and he is glad to be playing football again.
Cowherd: What do you make of the sources and what they say?
Darnell: There's no question that jff signed autographs. I haven't seen anything that indicates he was paid.
Cowherd: Are you aware that JFF could be in trouble if he even if he only knew that the autographs were going to be sold?
Darnell: I know what NCAA regulations say, and that's sort of a far-fetched interpretation. If someone sells an autograph, how do you stop them?? NCAA has rules that simply overreach
Cowherd: Would you advise jff to keep different company
Darnell: Right now, he is in the company of 5 big uglies who are keeping him safe.
Cowherd: your not concerned with Nate Fitch?
Darnell: No
c/p from texags
Darnell: Having seen what they've got and knowing what the truth is, I just feel that's going to happen.
Cowherd: Are you working with TAMU legal team?
Darnell: Sometimes yes
Cowherd: Has JFF met with an NCAA official
Darnell: I can't comment on that
Cowherd: over 2000 items ove been signed by jff, is it your opinion that those were free
Darnell: I can't comment on that
Cowherd: When you are facing video tape that could be viewed as proof against your client
Darnell: You gotta look at whats on the video, and what's not.
Cowherd: Does it help or hurt that this is such a national story?
Darnell: Depends on who you read. Rovell, no, Herbstreit, yes. But there is a new conversation about the NCAA rules,
Cowherd: Have had discussions with JFF
Darnell: Yes, several times
Cowherd: Your job in those discussions is what
Darnell: Just to listen.
Cowherd: does he seem bothered, anxious scared?
Darnell: Like every other 20 yo kid, when you have this many poeple accusing you of things you can get scared, But he knows the true story, and he is glad to be playing football again.
Cowherd: What do you make of the sources and what they say?
Darnell: There's no question that jff signed autographs. I haven't seen anything that indicates he was paid.
Cowherd: Are you aware that JFF could be in trouble if he even if he only knew that the autographs were going to be sold?
Darnell: I know what NCAA regulations say, and that's sort of a far-fetched interpretation. If someone sells an autograph, how do you stop them?? NCAA has rules that simply overreach
Cowherd: Would you advise jff to keep different company
Darnell: Right now, he is in the company of 5 big uglies who are keeping him safe.
Cowherd: your not concerned with Nate Fitch?
Darnell: No
c/p from texags
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 12:24 pm
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Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:19 pm to tmc94
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From the lawyer speak, it seems that the NCAA has not actually sent a NOI suggesting they haven't actually found enough evidence to indicate a violation has occurred
I dont believe they send a NOI anymore. They investigate, which is what they are doing now, then if they have enough evidence they send a NOA
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:24 pm to tmc94
quote:Thanks
tmc94
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:26 pm to NYCAuburn
interesting. Do you know when that changed? I know Oregon received an NOI but that was like 2 years ago.
It also doesn't really make sense to me though because you'd think there would have to be a process to let a school know an investigation has been launched. In a case like this, the school isn't even necessarily under investigation and the school's compliance resources would be invaluable to getting anywhere. Even getting basic info on things like an itinerary for Manziel would be a chore to obtain without including the school.
It also doesn't really make sense to me though because you'd think there would have to be a process to let a school know an investigation has been launched. In a case like this, the school isn't even necessarily under investigation and the school's compliance resources would be invaluable to getting anywhere. Even getting basic info on things like an itinerary for Manziel would be a chore to obtain without including the school.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:28 pm to PetroAg
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Interesting choice of words, considering your coach just copped out of making a decision to reinstate tPOS for getting head from a 14 yr old.
Another dumb arse aggie. You or I don't have a clue as to when he will actually play. Miles has allowed him to join the team for practice but he hasn't said jack shite about when he will actually play. However...your coach has allowed this JFF headcase to get to this point without ANY consequences. You want to talk about "nutless" coaches...yours has completely folded to JFF and the Manziel family and their threats.
It's obvious that Sumlin has NO control over JFF and anyone (outside of you blind aggies) can see this. Sumlin should suspend his arse for a game just on principle. We know that he won't do that because the JFF faction won't accept it and would immediately start making threats to prevent it.
That's the really crazy part...I don't think that aTm can even suspend JFF. He and his family wouldn't accept it. He was already set to transfer if aTm would have carried out his suspension last year. He's a spoiled little brat that has been enabled by his disfunctional family for 20 years. He obviously never learned that bad behavior will result in negative consequences.
I'll be laughing next year when you aggies are dealing with the consequences for selling out for one more year of JFF.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:30 pm to NBamaAlum
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This is awesome. aTm hires a firm. JFF's family hires counsel.
It seems everyone is united and on the same page.
No fireworks could come from this at all.
Just want to stick the above in here again.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:35 pm to NBamaAlum
Brent Zwerneman ?@BrentZwerneman 44s
Jim Darnell also told me for anyone hoping otherwise, this 'is not going to be a short process.
Brent Zwerneman ?@BrentZwerneman 8m
Darnell told me he never said there was no NCAA investigation, only 'that's just part of their rules, I can't say yea or nay.
Brent Zwerneman ?@BrentZwerneman 10m
Just visited w/ Jim Darnell. Said he's confident because there are 'awful lot of pics out there' but none of Manziel receiving $.
I don't know if should be posting stuff about the Johnnygate here. If you guys just want to talk about Jhill getting his junk sucked let me know and I'll stop.
Jim Darnell also told me for anyone hoping otherwise, this 'is not going to be a short process.
Brent Zwerneman ?@BrentZwerneman 8m
Darnell told me he never said there was no NCAA investigation, only 'that's just part of their rules, I can't say yea or nay.
Brent Zwerneman ?@BrentZwerneman 10m
Just visited w/ Jim Darnell. Said he's confident because there are 'awful lot of pics out there' but none of Manziel receiving $.
I don't know if should be posting stuff about the Johnnygate here. If you guys just want to talk about Jhill getting his junk sucked let me know and I'll stop.
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:37 pm to TwelfthMan
You know what really, really helped out AU/Cam during their bullshite?
Everyone being on the same page and presenting a united front.
Everyone being on the same page and presenting a united front.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:37 pm to NBamaAlum
The interests of the Manziels and the interests of Texas A&M are not necessarily going to be the same. And Manziel would not enjoy attorney-client privilege with Texas A&M attorneys. Obtaining counsel is not only common, it's a recommendation on the NCAA website (for both schools and players)
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:38 pm to tmc94
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I know Oregon received an NOI but that was like 2 years ago.
NOI or NOA?
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you'd think there would have to be a process to let a school know an investigation has been launched
they inform them verbally, Auburn never got any sort of letter of NOI
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:38 pm to TwelfthMan
unless more information becomes public, this is quickly become a huge non-story. Manziel will play the entire season (barring injury) and some ruling will be made in the offseason -- more than likely no NCAA sanctions.
just my opinion, but this story is all but over.
just my opinion, but this story is all but over.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:39 pm to TwelfthMan
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Brent Zwerneman ?@BrentZwerneman 8m Darnell told me he never said there was no NCAA investigation, only 'that's just part of their rules, I can't say yea or nay.
that's the most interesting quote of the day so far- i'm guessing a 'no comment' type of response was interpreted as a 'no' or something along those lines.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:41 pm to NYCAuburn
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NOI or NOA?
LINK
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As for what this Letter of Inquiry means for Oregon at the moment, the truth is not much. At least, not yet. It's merely the NCAA's way of letting a school know that it has begun investigating the school.
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they inform them verbally, Auburn never got any sort of letter of NOI
Well, then I guess maybe the lawyer speak is they haven't been informed verbally? I dunno.
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:43 pm to tmc94
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Well, then I guess maybe the lawyer speak is they haven't been informed verbally? I dunno.
Auburn had the same stance, they wouldnt say there was an investigation, so this goes in line with yall. They know there is in investigation, just becasue they wont admit it, doesnt mean there is not an investigation
And I think CBS is confusing the old NOI for NOA
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:46 pm to NYCAuburn
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Auburn had the same stance, they wouldnt say there was an investigation,
this was the crutch many on here used... 'well, if there's no investigation, why won't auburn comment?... if they don't comment there MUST have received NOI from the NCAA'
some of the armchair NCAA experts on this site at that time were pure comedy gold.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
It's time for Sumlin to order the "Code Red" on JFF. Send the seniors over to his house with soap bars & towels, drag his spoiled little a$$ out on the lawn, and take turns beating the $hit out of him.
I'd put money down that, if something like that were to happen, he would quit the team like a little bitch. His daddy would also sue aTm and they would leak it to every news source around. He's a spoiled bitch and that's his daddy's fault.
I'd put money down that, if something like that were to happen, he would quit the team like a little bitch. His daddy would also sue aTm and they would leak it to every news source around. He's a spoiled bitch and that's his daddy's fault.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:49 pm to SL Tiger
You sound mad
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:49 pm to NYCAuburn
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And I think CBS is confusing the old NOI for NOA
Then a lot of people did
USA Today
ESPN
Associated Press (from NCAA website in fact)
Maybe they only send it in some cases
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:51 pm to TwelfthMan
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Cowherd: Are you aware that JFF could be in trouble if he even if he only knew that the autographs were going to be sold?
Darnell: I know what NCAA regulations say, and that's sort of a far-fetched interpretation. If someone sells an autograph, how do you stop them?? NCAA has rules that simply overreach
That's not far fetched at all. If Manziel signed the autographs knowing they'd be sold and Uncle Nate would be paid, then that's a violation.
Given the 2000 items sold, the sequential order, the statements from the brokers, the relationship with Uncle Nate (along with his shadiness) and the lack of any evidence of money being put in Manziel's hands, it looks like Manziel and Uncle Nate had this little racket going on and thought as long as Manziel never touched the cash, his hands were clean.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 12:52 pm to tmc94
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The interests of the Manziels and the interests of Texas A&M are not necessarily going to be the same
That is correct....and also what has all the makings of a turd tornado.
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