re: As I said last night, OSU is going to end up #2 in all the computers

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Not at all. First off.. there are 174 total votes cast. (59 coaches, 115 harris). Math shows that in this scenario Oklahoma St (while #2 in the computers) would need 26% of the 2nd place votes to pass Alabama in the overall BCS rankings. They would need roughly 45 total 2nd place votes in order to keep Alabama out.

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The problem with this whole scenario is that it assumes that OSU gets every 3rd place vote. They're not even getting every 6th place vote. They're losing votes to Boise and Houston. Alabama has lost a few 2nd place votes but they're probably not going to OSU so that doesn't really help OSU. OSU got slaughtered on some ballots. They're 6.41 in the coaches poll which means they're not a solid number 6 even. If OSU moves up and takes 26% of the second place votes, then they'll need 74% of the third place votes which is unlikely. If Stanford wins this week it won't matter anyhow because OSU won't be able to steal enough votes from them and Stanford hopefully will not be in the PAC12 championship.

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You think it's anywhere near 25%? Combined? How about combined with legit 2nd place votes? Cause that's the danger for Alabama. You think Chip Kelly is going to vote for an LSU-Alabama rematch? What about Jimbo Fisher who battles with Alabama for recruits?

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Or some coaches could say that if you lose to Iowa State, then you're a joke. We'd be playing in the title with your schedule.

Oregon with 2 losses will stay behind OSU.
Stanford was killed in their loss vs. Oregon, and won't play for the Pac-12 title (more than likely anyway).

If OSU beats OU, who is one of those "big name" schools no matter what their record is, it will come on conference championship weekend, and will give them the Big-12 title. My opinion is this will move them ahead of the few teams ahead of them.

As mentioned, the final week is where a lot of season-long reflection happens that doesn't happen week to week. This is also when teams start putting out their arguments for why they are more deserving.

OSU will claim:
- won our conference
- double OT loss on a Friday on the road
- Big-12 #1 computer conference rating
- more wins over teams with winning records
- didn't lose to LSU already

Just going to point out that I'm not saying these are valid or invalid points on why they should be ranked up, but it's the argument you will hear, and as pointed out, they don't need to convince everyone. Hell, they won't even need to convince half the voters that they have a point.

Will it happen? I don't know. But the "nope there's no way it can happen" attitude a lot of Tide fans seem to have is laughable. Still a lot of games left to be played that can have an impact.

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The problem with this whole scenario is that it assumes that OSU gets every 3rd place vote. They're not even getting every 6th place vote. They're losing votes to Boise and Houston. Alabama has lost a few 2nd place votes but they're probably not going to OSU so that doesn't really help OSU. OSU got slaughtered on some ballots. They're 6.41 in the coaches poll which means they're not a solid number 6 even. If OSU moves up and takes 26% of the second place votes, then they'll need 74% of the third place votes which is unlikely. If Stanford wins this week it won't matter anyhow because OSU won't be able to steal enough votes from them and Stanford hopefully will not be in the PAC12 championship.

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They'll gain ground after LSU beats Arkansas, most likely. They'll also gain ALL of their ground back if they can beat Oklahoma, that much is pretty much a given. You guys gotta quit looking at this week and think about where Oklahoma State will be after a win vs OU. IF they win it's a legitimate mess. If they don't, Alabama is a near lock.

If Stanford gets into the Pac12 championship, they have a legit shot of sneaking in. Slim though.

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Come on Yates, if Bama and OSU win out, do you really think 41 voters are going to change their votes? I know its possible, but that is a lot. If the 5 they already have are not Big 12 coaches, it would take all of the Big 12 plus 16 more.

It just seems like a possible, but very unlikely scenario. Now I'm not here trying to guarantee that it will not happen, but it seems like it would be less than 10% shot.

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I just think it's startling to think about 74% of the voters wanting a rematch -- and that not being enough. The minority, the 26%, has the power to keep Alabama out. That's frightening if I were an Alabama fan.. I just feel like the Big10 and the Pac12 have an axe to grind against the best conference out there.

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You're actually saying you expect a voting conspiracy and people will band together just to make Bama fall out of the title game?

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Not at all. There's no conspiracy. The same shite happened in 2006. Anti-rematch voters + computer polls favoring a team = anti-rematch voters have all the power.

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If Stanford wins, then they'll probably finish above OSU. If OSU does jump them, then they'll still lose a lot of third place votes. Beyond that, all of the voters that have Bama at 2 will have to change their minds.

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Stanford isn't even close to Oklahoma St right now, though. Especially in the computers. It may pose a problem if Stanford wins, and it will be a problem for Ok St if Stanford can sneak into the Pac12 CG for sure.

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If Va Tech and Stanford lose, then it could get somewhat close but even then the humans won't forgive a loss to Iowa State. OSU became unsexy really fast. Their defense is garbage and their QB imploded when the pressure was on.

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I agree that they aren't as good as we thought. I may be overestimating the axe that voters/coaches will have to grind against the SEC.. but I can think of several coaches who would vote against a rematch. We both know that there a shite ton of voters who hate the SEC too.

Obviously, best case scenario for Oklahoma St is that both VT/Stanford drop a game. To make it even more sweet for them, the ACC could have a good showing against the SEC and Penn St could lose. This is a slim chance, tbh.. but worth mentioning -- Kansas St could pass Alabama in the computers in the event of another perfect storm of football (ACC sweeps SEC, Tulsa beats Houston, Penn St loses).

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They'll gain ground after LSU beats Arkansas, most likely. They'll also gain ALL of their ground back if they can beat Oklahoma, that much is pretty much a given. You guys gotta quit looking at this week and think about where Oklahoma State will be after a win vs OU. IF they win it's a legitimate mess. If they don't, Alabama is a near lock.

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Come on... Beating a two loss OU isn't enough to gain all of their ground back. Voters as going to have a hard time forgiving the Iowa State game. They're not even a consensus number six and they're going to jump up to taking a third of the second place votes because voters want to screw the SEC. This is getting silly.

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Come on... Beating a two loss OU isn't enough to gain all of their ground back. Voters as going to have a hard time forgiving the Iowa State game. They're not even a consensus number six and they're going to jump up to taking a third of the second place votes because voters want to screw the SEC. This is getting silly.

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It's not really. Obviously, Oklahoma St can be a lock for all of the 3rd place votes (and some 2nd) with a win over OU and a Stanford + VT loss.

Voters aren't stupid. They know that their vote is only 1/3rd of the formula. They can look at the sheet and see that voting for Stanford #2 instead of Oklahoma St #2 will give them an Alabama-LSU rematch. If that's what they want -- that is how they will vote. If they do not want a rematch, they drop Alabama to #3 or #4, and bump Oklahoma St up.

They're not just honestly ranking the teams as they see them. Voters at that point in the season are picking the actual games they want to be played. They know this and they take it into account. Wouldn't you?

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The computers aren't what matters. Stanford is above them in the human polls. Its actually better if Stanford doesn't go to the PAC12 championship. They can sit at home and they'll steal votes.

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The computers are what matters.. in a sense. Stanford could get 2nd place votes and not pass up Oklahoma St in the BCS rankings. That means, effectively, that a vote for Stanford is a wasted vote.

It seems like you think the voters are stupid, as I touched on above.

Really dont think OSU beats OU anyway, just kinda feels like destiny for these two too meet again. Bama wants revenge, and im sure LSU players feel disrespected that no one outside of Louisiana gives them credit for winning the game.

Isn't the point of a NC to match the two best teams? LSU & Bama.

oh and by the way, LSU 16-13, once again, in overtime