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re: Arkansas Inferiority?
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:50 am to DWag215
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:50 am to DWag215
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Not really. We didn't start recruiting at a perennial high level until early 80sish.
Well we never have year in and year out. I wish we could, and I am hoping the new coach realizes how important this is.
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Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:54 am to Notherdamnhog
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Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:54 am to Pigimus Prime
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That's what it will take to even out this record, which was mostly forged with A&M having better recruits...
Um no. You must be young.
Back when we were both in the SWC Arky was the bigger/better program. Yall got better recruits and yalls game with Texas was huge- bigger than us vs Texas. Arky was OU before OU was OU.
Therefore most of our all-time record is from an era when yall were by far a better program. Texas almost single-handedly undid yalls old program by refusing to play you and pimping the OU game instead.
The A&M you face now is a new animal, never seen before. No one has done Texas + SEC, and we are already seeing positive results.
There are two sides to this: The A&M side where the team with the better talent will win most of the time, and the Arky side where no matter what talent A&M has we are a failure.
What fricks you over is the fact that the SEC front office is on our side. They need us to be good to really make expansion worth it. Us being good allows the SEC Network to capture the Texas market. Slive's legacy basically hinges on us being successful.
Hence why he let us steal an AD from another SEC program. frick he probably told us to take the guy, just like we are getting coached how to recruit SEC-style.
This post was edited on 7/29/12 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:57 am to Pigimus Prime
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And don't even tell me Sherman wasn't considered the greatest thing since sliced bread.
He wasn't. Most Aggies saw him as a huge letdown when he was hired. Most wanted Tommy, or at least a guy with college head coaching experience.
Sherman's hire was out of left field by our previous AD. Hence why he is our previous AD.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:59 am to Pigimus Prime
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I wish we could, and I am hoping the new coach realizes how important this is.
For that to happen it will take more than a coach. It will take your administration doubling the recruiting budget to get near Tenn levels:
SEC Budgets
A massive recruiting budget is the only sure-fire path to recruiting success for a program without in-state talent.
This post was edited on 7/29/12 at 11:59 am
Posted on 7/29/12 at 11:59 am to cardboardboxer
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He wasn't. Most Aggies saw him as a huge letdown when he was hired. Most wanted Tommy, or at least a guy with college head coaching experience.
I don't know friend, I sure know lots of Aggies who felt otherwise. I mean at some point you may have to just behind the coach and hope for the best, but I sure heard lots of smack before our games about how much better he was the BMFP.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:02 pm to Pigimus Prime
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I don't know friend, I sure know lots of Aggies who felt otherwise. I mean at some point you may have to just behind the coach and hope for the best, but I sure heard lots of smack before our games about how much better he was the BMFP.
Well we hated Fran at the end, so anything was better. Plus we are Aggies, talking shite before we accomplish something is an artform that we have mastered.
Go look back on message boards at the time though. Sherman was a big letdown, and no one had him on their lists before he was hired.
Honestly he did better than I thought he would- I expected a two year career. I wanted Sumlin way back when he was hired. I got my wish this year, and I think it will work out great for us.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:02 pm to cardboardboxer
Great thread.
I actually heard Slive told us that if Hyman was to have a last second change of heart, we had the green light to settle for Long.
I actually heard Slive told us that if Hyman was to have a last second change of heart, we had the green light to settle for Long.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:06 pm to cardboardboxer
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A massive recruiting budget is the only sure-fire path to recruiting success for a program without in-state talent.
Yes, yes but the coach needs to make it a priority. Money is no issue at tFlagship these days.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:07 pm to DWag215
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:10 pm to DWag215
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I actually heard Slive told us that if Hyman was to have a last second change of heart, we had the green light to settle for Long.
Idiot is idiot.
If JMFL wouldn't go to Stanford, he sure don't want to be aggy.
Aggy is funny. Our coaches suck so we lose, our players suck so we lose, Texas won't listen to us so we lose,
. But we've moved to the SEC and will win it all.
41-24-3
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:12 pm to dawginar
Aggies have a history of getting ahead of themselves.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:12 pm to cardboardboxer
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For that to happen it will take more than a coach. It will take your administration doubling the recruiting budget to get near Tenn levels
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A massive recruiting budget is the only sure-fire path to recruiting success for a program without in-state talent.
nope. do you know how many cars Dmac magically found? Why Mallett came back? How we got Joe Adams? Add in another $100k for all the under the table pay offs.
The main problem is that NW Arkansas is a ridiculously white area and it is hard to get run-wells to play there even while paying them.
edit: recruiting the need is a lot more important than just getting *s. Look at Tennessee and Ole Miss. They have good recruiting classes and are the worst teams in the SEC.
This post was edited on 7/29/12 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:12 pm to FormMorm
This thread is dumb. Both schools have plenty to be proud of and we can settle it yearly on the field, court, diamond and track. 
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:13 pm to cardboardboxer
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Hence why he let us steal an AD from another SEC program. frick he probably told us to take the guy, just like we are getting coached how to recruit SEC-style.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:16 pm to Pigimus Prime
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:18 pm to Darth Slive
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Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:18 pm to Pigimus Prime
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Yes, yes but the coach needs to make it a priority.
I agree.
Honestly I would hate to see you guys get someone like a Briles that has connections to high school coaches in Texas. In this state the relationship with the coaches goes a long way in recruiting, and he is widely respected.
Heck that whole relationship thing is how Fran fricked us. He pissed off many Texas high school coaches, who already didn't like us because Mack was basically telling them that he could get them fired if he wanted to. To this day some areas (like San Antonio) still hold a grudge against us from the Fran era that Sumlin is now trying to fix.
For Arky yall have been gone from the scene so long it is more like Clemson recruiting talent than someone they are comfortable with like an OU. A coach that the high school coaches like could go a long way.
That is also why I hope to never play yall in Jerryworld again. I hope we break that contract, even if it costs big money.
When we started playing there it didn't matter that we gave you access to the state. We were in a different league, it pissed Texas off, and we were hoping for more exposure.
Now we get all the exposure we want, we pissed Texas off as much as possibly can be done with the SEC move, and keeping yall out of the state is the way to keep you in the Clemson-ish position for recruiting.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:28 pm to ArHog
You laugh, but normally Slive is strongly against stealing coaches from within the SEC. That is well documented.
He let us steal an AD. Way bigger than a coach.
Look at the numbers to find out why:
A SEC Network is only as successful as how many cable subscribers are forced to pay in-state rates for it.
Us and UF represent the biggest states population-wise. UF already had the kind of decade that will sell subscriptions. We are the low-hanging fruit.
The difference between a top 30 A&M (like we traditionally have been) and a top 15 A&M is million of dollars to each SEC school.
Hence we are allowed to steal an AD, we are given tons of exposure, and honestly I expect some questionable game-changing calls to go our way.
In fact that was basically our deal with the SEC. Everyone sees how much money Texas has. Everyone knows that the reason Texas has so much more money than say a UF is because UF has more legit competition in the state.
We couldn't beat Texas on our own. So we cut a deal with the SEC- allow us to use your brand to build up our program, and when we get to the point were we can raid Texas's warchest we will split the booty evenly with our SEC brothers.
So now when you see time after time the SEC backing our position (like soon when the LSU game is taken from you) you will know that it has nothing to do with us, and everything to do with decisions made above yalls pay grade. A successful Arky doesn't do shite for the SEC Network.
He let us steal an AD. Way bigger than a coach.
Look at the numbers to find out why:
A SEC Network is only as successful as how many cable subscribers are forced to pay in-state rates for it.
Us and UF represent the biggest states population-wise. UF already had the kind of decade that will sell subscriptions. We are the low-hanging fruit.
The difference between a top 30 A&M (like we traditionally have been) and a top 15 A&M is million of dollars to each SEC school.
Hence we are allowed to steal an AD, we are given tons of exposure, and honestly I expect some questionable game-changing calls to go our way.
In fact that was basically our deal with the SEC. Everyone sees how much money Texas has. Everyone knows that the reason Texas has so much more money than say a UF is because UF has more legit competition in the state.
We couldn't beat Texas on our own. So we cut a deal with the SEC- allow us to use your brand to build up our program, and when we get to the point were we can raid Texas's warchest we will split the booty evenly with our SEC brothers.
So now when you see time after time the SEC backing our position (like soon when the LSU game is taken from you) you will know that it has nothing to do with us, and everything to do with decisions made above yalls pay grade. A successful Arky doesn't do shite for the SEC Network.
Posted on 7/29/12 at 12:35 pm to cardboardboxer
I'm not going to read through all of this rubbish. However, I have read enough that I keep seeing you use the word "potential". I have to say tha potential doesn't equate to jack shite without results, and the Aggies have had potential for years. I hope the Aggs have some success, but you better actually earn it before you start proclaiming that since you are a SEC team from Texas that you will be better than Arkansas even though Arkansas has DOMINATED the series for a 100 years.
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