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re: Arkansas Frat Giving Protesters Tha Bidness
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:32 pm to bfniii
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:32 pm to bfniii
Take some time to think it over.
As I said, if you don't understand why the Republicans have failed to do anything about illegal immigration for the past 20 years, then you aren't paying attention.
It is just another symptom of unrestrained corporate influence in government. Corporations and big agriculture wants cheap, tax-payer subsidized labor. Our government lets them have it.
As I said, if you don't understand why the Republicans have failed to do anything about illegal immigration for the past 20 years, then you aren't paying attention.
It is just another symptom of unrestrained corporate influence in government. Corporations and big agriculture wants cheap, tax-payer subsidized labor. Our government lets them have it.
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Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:33 pm to wmr
quote:not that i can see. i think it has much more to do with the political climate. shutting down the borders is unfortunately political suicide in this country
You think that might have something to do with big companies who need/want cheap labor?
quote:yeah, like i haven't supported my conclusions
don't just pick a side because Sean Hannity tells you to.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:34 pm to wmr
quote:again, you are describing a govt problem, not a wall st problem. wall st is only getting away with what they're allowed to.
Because due to the current way corporations are allowed to lobby and fund, corporations more or less run the government
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:35 pm to bfniii
Wow.
You really think unrestrained immigration is about offending hispanics?
Polls show that Americans have overwhelmingly supported border enforcement for decades. It would be a politically popular thing for any candidate to embrace.
Big corporate donations amount to bribes to our politicians, which is why nothing happens from either side. Cut off the cheap labor, and you have no money to fund your political campaign.
You really think unrestrained immigration is about offending hispanics?
Polls show that Americans have overwhelmingly supported border enforcement for decades. It would be a politically popular thing for any candidate to embrace.
Big corporate donations amount to bribes to our politicians, which is why nothing happens from either side. Cut off the cheap labor, and you have no money to fund your political campaign.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:36 pm to wmr
quote:the more i read about ows, the more i realize they are misdirected.
Take some time to think it over
quote:i personally think i understand it clearly and i gave a specific reason why
you aren't paying attention.
quote:not a wall st problem
unrestrained corporate influence in government
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:36 pm to bfniii
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wall st is only getting away with what they're allowed to.
They are "allowed to get away with it" because they control the government in this country.
Corporate personhood is about corporations being able to contribute massive amounts of money to political campaigns. As long as this happens, our politicians will care way more about what a few powerful business interests in this country want than what citizens want.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:38 pm to wmr
quote:nope. it's about offending all the libs and "independents" in america.
You really think unrestrained immigration is about offending hispanics?
quote:i disagree and that's why only the tea party has stepped up on this matter
It would be a politically popular thing for any candidate to embrace.
quote:i think term limits are much more effective and appropriate here.
Cut off the cheap labor, and you have no money to fund your political campaign.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:38 pm to bfniii
The protests on Wall Street bring attention to the $$$ that influences our government policy on everything from immigration, EPA and foreign policy.
I'll say its been effective, because people are taking notice.
I'll say its been effective, because people are taking notice.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:40 pm to wmr
quote:so people aren't allowed to vote anymore? wow, i have not heard one thing about this.
They are "allowed to get away with it" because they control the government in this country
quote:let me repeat, protesting on wall st is NOT going to fix this
Corporate personhood is about corporations being able to contribute massive amounts of money to political campaigns
quote:the politicians are in d.c. and are affected at the voting booth. they are not on wall st. see: tea party
As long as this happens, our politicians will care way more about what a few powerful business interests in this country want than what citizens want
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:41 pm to bfniii
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term limits
We don't have the opportunity to have referendum on this, either.
And maybe this is one thing that will come out of these protests. More people paying attention to that issue and finding a way to get it passed.
The legislators sure as hell won't do it on their own.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:41 pm to wmr
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I'll say its been effective, because people are taking notice.
I'll say one thing... Those hippie fricks have given me hours of entertainment over the past week. I appreciate their service to my entertainment needs.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:42 pm to bfniii
Like I said, the Wall Street protests at least open the dialogue.
Most people know our government doesn't work and are unhappy with the candidates we get to choose from.
A Wall Street protest is effective in that we are at least having these conversations where we weren't a few months ago.
Most people know our government doesn't work and are unhappy with the candidates we get to choose from.
A Wall Street protest is effective in that we are at least having these conversations where we weren't a few months ago.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:43 pm to wmr
Was the list of demands that came out last week legitimate? Read that list and tell me those people aren't f'ing retarded.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:44 pm to wmr
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The protests on Wall Street bring attention to the $$$ that influences....
wall st protests are not going to be effective. voting for term limits will be incredibly effective.
you act like these groups are coherent enough operationally for politicians to even know exactly what they want and how to implement it. why haven't any polticians overtly backed the movement?
quote:when we see a difference in voting, then your statement will be accurate. otherwise, it's one big mob and newsworthy not for the reasons you think
I'll say its been effective, because people are taking notice
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:45 pm to bfniii
So, let me know when the election for term limits is.
I'm assuming it will be right after the referendum on corporate personhood.
I'm assuming it will be right after the referendum on corporate personhood.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:45 pm to wmr
quote:it's called the voting booth. ows is accomplishing nothing politically. no politicians are openly advocating these groups because they're not even sure what to make of them.
We don't have the opportunity to have referendum on this
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:47 pm to wmr
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It would be a politically popular thing for any candidate to embrace.
But then the Dems wouldnt get their vote. Hashing this into a Dem/Rep argument is stupid, when it's all Gov't that is doing what is in their interest. It has nothing to do with the free market or how an individual is "screwed" over by not getting their fair share. End entitlements, get the gov't out of healthcare, welfare and income taxes and then people will be able to prosper a little more. LESS Gov't is the solution, not MORE.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:47 pm to bfniii
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you act like these groups are coherent enough operationally for politicians to even know exactly what they want and how to implement it. why haven't any polticians overtly backed the movement?
No, I haven't. I've said a few times I'm waiting to see how the movement evolves. There are some good ideas floating out there (along with the bad)and at least they aren't apathetic about government.
I'm able to appreciate the good without picking a side and dismissing them as crazies. And I'm not even a liberal.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:48 pm to wmr
quote:it was never closed and no one needed to protest a business to participate
Wall Street protests at least open the dialogue
quote:not a wall st problem
Most people know our government doesn't work and are unhappy with the candidates we get to choose from
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A Wall Street protest is effective in that we are at least having these conversations where we weren't a few months ago
have you not heard of the tea party? good grief, they were incredibly effective in undermining the establishment republicans. i think your perspective is very misinformed. and second, ows efficacy has yet to be determined.Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:49 pm to wmr
quote:every time you vote, you are advocating whatever your politician believes about term limits. this isn't brain surgery
So, let me know when the election for term limits is.
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