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Anyone else think Richt is overrated as qb guru?
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:05 pm
Is he as good as most UGA fans believe or is he the benefactor of recruiting great talent at qb?
I'm thinking the latter is true. Not to say he isn't a good qb coach, but a lot of UGA fans is anointing him as one of the all time greats at teaching the qb. I think he has just had some outstanding talent which inflated his aura as a qb coach.
David Greene (2000) wasn't even recruited by Richt.
DJ Shockley (2001) 5*, rated #1 qb
Joe Tereshinski (2002) 4*
Joe Cox (2005) 3*
Matt Stafford (2006) 5*, rated #1 qb
Aaron Murray (2009) 5*, rated #2 (before injury, was #1 overall player and qb)
Zach Mettenberger (2009) 4*
Hutson Mason (2010) 3*
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I only listed the ones that started for Richt. As you can see, the successful qbs under Richt (DJ, Stafford, Murray) were very highly rated, while the mediocre qbs (Joe T, Cox, Mason) for Richt weren't. Huston Mason falls under the latter category, b/c averaging 150yds or so a game is not coaching up your qb, especially when 90% of the time the plays are 10yds or less.
So, if I ask on the UGA board, I will get blasted, so I'm asking the Rant what they think, as everyone on here is unbiased.
*****I think Richt is above avg at coaching qbs, but not as good as the hype makes him to be.
I'm thinking the latter is true. Not to say he isn't a good qb coach, but a lot of UGA fans is anointing him as one of the all time greats at teaching the qb. I think he has just had some outstanding talent which inflated his aura as a qb coach.
David Greene (2000) wasn't even recruited by Richt.
DJ Shockley (2001) 5*, rated #1 qb
Joe Tereshinski (2002) 4*
Joe Cox (2005) 3*
Matt Stafford (2006) 5*, rated #1 qb
Aaron Murray (2009) 5*, rated #2 (before injury, was #1 overall player and qb)
Zach Mettenberger (2009) 4*
Hutson Mason (2010) 3*
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I only listed the ones that started for Richt. As you can see, the successful qbs under Richt (DJ, Stafford, Murray) were very highly rated, while the mediocre qbs (Joe T, Cox, Mason) for Richt weren't. Huston Mason falls under the latter category, b/c averaging 150yds or so a game is not coaching up your qb, especially when 90% of the time the plays are 10yds or less.
So, if I ask on the UGA board, I will get blasted, so I'm asking the Rant what they think, as everyone on here is unbiased.
*****I think Richt is above avg at coaching qbs, but not as good as the hype makes him to be.
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Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:07 pm to DawgGONIT
So... your deduction is that talented HS QBs have turned out to be good college QBs?
And the answer to the question has to do with the fact that he has had obvious success at UGA combined with success at FSU coaching Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke.
And the answer to the question has to do with the fact that he has had obvious success at UGA combined with success at FSU coaching Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:08 pm to DawgGONIT
Also
Never played for Richt
And
Why does it matter he wasn't recruited by Richt? He still only ever played for/was coached by Richt and went on to be the winningest college QB ever at the time.
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Zach Mettenberger (2009) 4*
Never played for Richt
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David Greene (2000) wasn't even recruited by Richt.
Why does it matter he wasn't recruited by Richt? He still only ever played for/was coached by Richt and went on to be the winningest college QB ever at the time.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:10 pm to tylerdurden24
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So... your deduction is that talented HS QBs have turned out to be good college QBs?
My deduction is that the highly rated qbs out of HS, produced in college. The lower rated qbs out of HS, didn't 'produce' in college. Richt had no impact on this deviation. If he was the qb guru that you believe him to be, the lower rated guys would of performed better. If Richt was the qb guru you believe him to be, we wouldn't have been in the running for these 2 'free agent' qbs, one which we did sign (rumors not 100% we did).
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:13 pm to DawgGONIT
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If he was the qb guru that you believe him to be, the lower rated guys would of performed better.
The argument can be made that the 3* QBs exceeded their potential.
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If Richt was the qb guru you believe him to be, we wouldn't have been in the running for these 2 'free agent' qbs, one which we did sign
Huh? The entire reason we were entertaining transfers from Golson or Lambert was because of potential depth issues should two of the three QBs vying for the starting spot leave. That has no bearing on the job Richt is doing prepping Ramsey, Park, and Bauta.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:18 pm to tylerdurden24
quote:I think it does. Richt isn't confident in the 3 we got, or someone is gonna transfer. Even if our 3 is below avg, Richt, being the qb guru, should be able to coach them up for at least a year until Eason comes.
Huh? The entire reason we were entertaining transfers from Golson or Lambert was because of potential depth issues should two of the three QBs vying for the starting spot leave. That has no bearing on the job Richt is doing prepping Ramsey, Park, and Bauta.
If Richt knows that someone is transferring (J Park), then this is the only way its good getting Lambert. Why do we need 4 scholarship qbs when honestly, none of them are tearing it up. It just doesn't look good, considering that Richt has been talking these 3 qbs up and now he wants to get another one.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:19 pm to DawgGONIT
I didnt even know people thought of him as one 
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:20 pm to DawgGONIT
I'd say he's better than most.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:20 pm to DawgGONIT
So TD, how would you answer my title question? And why do you feel that way?
You have been doing a lot of nitpicking, instead of answering the question at hand. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, I just want to know what the rant thinks and why.
You have been doing a lot of nitpicking, instead of answering the question at hand. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, I just want to know what the rant thinks and why.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:20 pm to DawgGONIT
I never really considered him a qb guru.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:27 pm to DawgGONIT
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Richt isn't confident in the 3 we got, or someone is gonna transfer.
Almost entirely the latter, given that Lambert hasn't proven to be a great QB and he now only has three months to catch up to guys who have had all Spring under Schottenheimer.
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Even if our 3 is below avg, Richt, being the qb guru, should be able to coach them up for at least a year until Eason comes.
How does taking on a transfer prove he hasn't/can't? If two of our current QBs transfer, it's due to a lack of PT. Taking on Lambert is purely to provide depth; Lambert is from GA, has a gf that goes to UGA, and is willing to come here for Grad school and be a backup if he has to. The other QBs aren't willing to be back-ups. This has nothing to do with QB development.
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Why do we need 4 scholarship qbs when honestly, none of them are tearing it up.
None of the current QBs have ever played meaningful snaps so I'm not sure how you're arriving at this opinion.
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It just doesn't look good, considering that Richt has been talking these 3 qbs up and now he wants to get another one.
It's not comfortable for fans, but it's far from a bad situation; three 4* QBs and an experienced D1 transfer, two of which will likely transfer out by September. Has nothing to do with development and everything to do with Richt playing a numbers game so we're not short dicked on depth come kickoff.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:27 pm to DawgGONIT
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So TD, how would you answer my title question? And why do you feel that way?
Look at my first post.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:32 pm to DawgGONIT
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I'm asking the Rant what they think, as everyone on here is unbiased.
You want to know how I know you are an alter?
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:50 pm to tylerdurden24
Park is garbage. It should've been telling that neither USC or Clemson wanted him out of Goose Creek.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 7:53 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
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Park is garbage. It should've been telling that neither USC or Clemson wanted him out of Goose Creek.
Clemson had Watson and since when has Carolina been the benchmark for QB recruiting?
Posted on 6/3/15 at 8:08 pm to tylerdurden24
You never answered. You said he had success at FSU and UGA, but what does that mean? T Dilfer had success w/ the Ravens, but does that mean he is a good qb?
Posted on 6/3/15 at 8:13 pm to DawgGONIT
I don't t think I'v ever heard Richt mentioned as a QB guru, ever, until this thread.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 8:14 pm to DawgGONIT
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You said he had success at FSU and UGA, but what does that mean?
It means he had success as a QB coach with two Heisman winners at FSU and multiple record breakers at UGA. If you want to analyze all the QBs he has coached in that span and present a counter-argument, have at it.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 8:17 pm to CockInYourEar
And just because this is funny,
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I'm asking the Rant what they think, as everyone on here is unbiased.
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Posted on 6/3/15 at 8:19 pm to tylerdurden24
I think you think about that tread A LOT more than I do. 
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 8:20 pm
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