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Posted on 7/18/08 at 8:16 pm to KPCrimson
KPC....
<<Wow BT4 your drivel makes my head hurt.>>
The truth does hurt. But the way I look at it
you can learn from it.
<<you said yourself it was laughable, which it is, to think Saban and Shula are in the same league as far as coaching goes>>
Once again, I never said that, the question that were posed specifically were- who recuited better, who had a better positive attitude and
who HAD DONE ZTHE BETTER JOB. Given the available talent in the noggin, Saban gets DEAD last for not using his talent to the best of his ability.
NOW do you get it? Let's move on.
KP, with the turn-around jumper...
<<Saban had leave, let me tell you this...last years class even after the losses had 3/5 stars, 14/4 stars, 7/3stars, and 1/2star for an average ranking of 3.76>>
OK, there he goes! There he goes! The offical Bama spin alert is on!!!
My God...here we go again!!! We have now officially gone full circle. We spent MONTHS telling you about averages.
IF it was about averages, (and PROPS!!! IT IS)
LSU, UGA, and UF have entire TEAMS... over 100 players.... in that range. Saban had a 3.28 his first year. Let's just say (and I disagree, BTW)
that Bama has that 3.76 average. Saban average at
Bama is now 3.525.
Shula's two year average was.....3.325. A .2 difference, EVEN WITH SKOLLY REDUCTIONS.
NOw let's compare Saban to the best recruiters in the SEC- Les Miles and Urban Meyer.
Meyer has three classes at UF: 3.82, 3.89, and 3.89. This years class is a little down by Florida standards, but will project close to 3.75
from what my Gator friends tell me. Dude that's a cumulative average of--- get this--- 3.849. That's plain sick.
If Miles closed out his class today, LSU is staring at a possible 4.10 class. Miles has 3.89, 3.69 and 3.58 classes -- over 120 players-- that
thus would amount to a 3.798 ranking!!
NOW do you understand why we say Miles is a better recruiter than Saban???
CONGRATS!!!! YOU CAN BE TAUGHT!!!!
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<<By the way, ALL of LSU's players ALWAYS make it through right?>>
Nope. But we've lost no one this year, and Miles has lost less in 4 years (5) than Saban lost in 3 months. Or Tubberville. Or Meyer.
On the game of football....
<<About Caddell's cath, whatever dude, you and everyone else in the world knows that it could have gone either way>>
My DEAR GOD, please someone get him tape! We challanged the play! It was reversed in like 30 seconds! The only reason why the ref thought it was a catch was because he had no line of sight!
Are you actually serious? Do you really think that call could have gone either way??? What ref was related to Bear Bryant. Look ... I could be wrong, but it the POINT OF THE FOOTBALL hits the ground... and then the ball does hit the ground.
NO ONE calls that a catch if they see it!!!
And finally....
<<A first down there gives us the ball for a few more minutes keeping the ball out of LSU's hands. Who knows what happens then. Secondly, are you trying to say it would have been impossible to stop you. Hmmmmm, I believe it took every play available for you to score, it was 4th down right when your guy made a great play to tie it up.
And
<<I do like how you hit all of your points of how the Nail will meet a hammer or whatever, and that won't happen in Death Valley this year, without even trying to defend that you have a frosh and ivy league qb that have really never played (Don't talk to me about how they will be seasoned then. Will our "crappy" recruiting classes not be also with all of the road trips we have prior to that? Very poor argument from you). You guys have one of the best teams in the country except for the qb position (The field general). Again, what happens when things go "Death"ly quiet due to a mistake by them. There's no chance a frosh could get rattled right? None>>
Just when you looked intelligent for a second.
Sigh
:beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
<<Wow BT4 your drivel makes my head hurt.>>
The truth does hurt. But the way I look at it
you can learn from it.
<<you said yourself it was laughable, which it is, to think Saban and Shula are in the same league as far as coaching goes>>
Once again, I never said that, the question that were posed specifically were- who recuited better, who had a better positive attitude and
who HAD DONE ZTHE BETTER JOB. Given the available talent in the noggin, Saban gets DEAD last for not using his talent to the best of his ability.
NOW do you get it? Let's move on.
KP, with the turn-around jumper...
<<Saban had leave, let me tell you this...last years class even after the losses had 3/5 stars, 14/4 stars, 7/3stars, and 1/2star for an average ranking of 3.76>>
OK, there he goes! There he goes! The offical Bama spin alert is on!!!
My God...here we go again!!! We have now officially gone full circle. We spent MONTHS telling you about averages.
IF it was about averages, (and PROPS!!! IT IS)
LSU, UGA, and UF have entire TEAMS... over 100 players.... in that range. Saban had a 3.28 his first year. Let's just say (and I disagree, BTW)
that Bama has that 3.76 average. Saban average at
Bama is now 3.525.
Shula's two year average was.....3.325. A .2 difference, EVEN WITH SKOLLY REDUCTIONS.
NOw let's compare Saban to the best recruiters in the SEC- Les Miles and Urban Meyer.
Meyer has three classes at UF: 3.82, 3.89, and 3.89. This years class is a little down by Florida standards, but will project close to 3.75
from what my Gator friends tell me. Dude that's a cumulative average of--- get this--- 3.849. That's plain sick.
If Miles closed out his class today, LSU is staring at a possible 4.10 class. Miles has 3.89, 3.69 and 3.58 classes -- over 120 players-- that
thus would amount to a 3.798 ranking!!
NOW do you understand why we say Miles is a better recruiter than Saban???
CONGRATS!!!! YOU CAN BE TAUGHT!!!!
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<<By the way, ALL of LSU's players ALWAYS make it through right?>>
Nope. But we've lost no one this year, and Miles has lost less in 4 years (5) than Saban lost in 3 months. Or Tubberville. Or Meyer.
On the game of football....
<<About Caddell's cath, whatever dude, you and everyone else in the world knows that it could have gone either way>>
My DEAR GOD, please someone get him tape! We challanged the play! It was reversed in like 30 seconds! The only reason why the ref thought it was a catch was because he had no line of sight!
Are you actually serious? Do you really think that call could have gone either way??? What ref was related to Bear Bryant. Look ... I could be wrong, but it the POINT OF THE FOOTBALL hits the ground... and then the ball does hit the ground.
NO ONE calls that a catch if they see it!!!
And finally....
<<A first down there gives us the ball for a few more minutes keeping the ball out of LSU's hands. Who knows what happens then. Secondly, are you trying to say it would have been impossible to stop you. Hmmmmm, I believe it took every play available for you to score, it was 4th down right when your guy made a great play to tie it up.
And
<<I do like how you hit all of your points of how the Nail will meet a hammer or whatever, and that won't happen in Death Valley this year, without even trying to defend that you have a frosh and ivy league qb that have really never played (Don't talk to me about how they will be seasoned then. Will our "crappy" recruiting classes not be also with all of the road trips we have prior to that? Very poor argument from you). You guys have one of the best teams in the country except for the qb position (The field general). Again, what happens when things go "Death"ly quiet due to a mistake by them. There's no chance a frosh could get rattled right? None>>
Just when you looked intelligent for a second.
Sigh
:beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse:
This post was edited on 7/18/08 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 7/18/08 at 10:50 pm to BT4LSU
Found this to be an interesting link. BT4, you won't, you will just call it bs blah blah blah, ULM, blah blah Shula>Saban blah blah.....
LINK -06,HPIC:en
BT4, yes the tip of the ball did touch the ground but, hmmm, could it be that maybe his hands aren't bigger than a FOOTBALL? Are your hands bigger than a football? Having control constitutes a catch. I guess you think Pro's catch wasn't a catch too then since a portion of the ball touched the ground.
BT4, still waiting on your response about your qb's being rattled. Is it possible this could happen? I guess Les would call the same play with your frosh this year in the AU game as he did last year with Flynn right? Also, there is no way that Javy could possibly make a play on a punt return right? You still haven't touched either of those questions I posed earlier. I'm not sure why I am still even talking to you though. ANYONE that says Shula>Saban is crazier than a run over dog. RTR
LINK -06,HPIC:en
BT4, yes the tip of the ball did touch the ground but, hmmm, could it be that maybe his hands aren't bigger than a FOOTBALL? Are your hands bigger than a football? Having control constitutes a catch. I guess you think Pro's catch wasn't a catch too then since a portion of the ball touched the ground.
BT4, still waiting on your response about your qb's being rattled. Is it possible this could happen? I guess Les would call the same play with your frosh this year in the AU game as he did last year with Flynn right? Also, there is no way that Javy could possibly make a play on a punt return right? You still haven't touched either of those questions I posed earlier. I'm not sure why I am still even talking to you though. ANYONE that says Shula>Saban is crazier than a run over dog. RTR
Posted on 7/18/08 at 11:40 pm to KPCrimson
Sorry KP, I missed a couple. Certainly not intentional... firat one:
BT4, yes the tip of the ball did touch the ground but, hmmm, could it be that maybe his hands aren't bigger than a FOOTBALL? Are your hands bigger than a football? Having control constitutes a catch. I guess you think Pro's catch wasn't a catch too then since a portion of the ball touched the ground.>>
The end zone shot, the shot I'll try to find, not only shows the point of the ball hitting the ground, but also bouncing into this hands.
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EDITED FOR THE LINK LINK
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This view clearly shows the ball hitting the ground and coming up. The replay booth (the actuak link I was looking for) was able to blow the picture up-- that's why the reversal took about a minute- it was VERY clear.
Also, note the tie game and the fact you were 16 years form the endzone, and petty much going backwards the entire 4th quarter. The best you would have gotten was the FG, and LSU wouldn't have punted for the following TD.
Again-- honest opinion based on the facts of the game.
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<<BT4, still waiting on your response about your qb's being rattled>>
OK sure. That again was unintentionally overlooked and is easy to answer as well.
Let's see. Hmmmmmmm. Oh, yes, I know....
We play Auburn on the road, UF on the road and UGA before we play you-- at home.
The answer: By that time of the year... highly doubtful to HELL NEAUX.
He spouts on...
<<I guess Les would call the same play with your frosh this year in the AU game as he did last year with Flynn right?
My aren't we getting smart. Here's food for thought. Les DID NOT CALL THE PLAY.
CROWTON DID.
Back to the real subject in this lesson.
(snicker)... Matt Flynn only had 6 (SIX) starts in his LIFE when he threw that pass, and Flynn only had 6 months with OC Crowton to learn his system and Crowton-- again-- WHO CALLED THE PLAY-- (not Les Miles) to Dee Byrd, the WR who made a total fool of your so called All American all night..well..THAT was his SECOND START, and his TWELTH CATCH of the year.
Again, look it up.
==================================
More of what you don't know.
Both Hatch and Lee have TWO (2) years with Crowton. Lee is a redshirt, not a true freshman.
Bith will come in with as much experience as Flynn, with MORE time in Crowtons syatem.
HAtch has 2 years and 2 camps.
In other words, you better forget about a potential QB "problem" at LSU-- people who know Crowton and LSU happen to know there is none.
Do you remeber Mr. Crowton? I've mey him perasonally three times now. He's smiles
about 2008. That's good enough for me....
Bama of all people should know Gary. He's never lost to Bama, beating them twice in the 1990s at LOUISIANA TECH.
He hung 45 on defending Nationa Champ Nebraska in a losing effort in 1996, on the way to a histotic seasomn at LY with Tim Rattay. He then broke records as a head coach at BYU. As an OC, his Chicago Bears teams led the NFC in offense in 2002 and 2003.
Yeah-- THAT Gary Crowton.
The one that many think is the best OC in the country, and everone thinks is top three. Again, look it up.
Again, think about it. If anything, they both could be BETTER than Flynn. They both are better runners and Lee is the better passer. Oh and by the way, I bey you'll meet ordon Jefferson as well, when he probably score on an option in the
4th quarter as we rub a little more salt into the wound.
Again... see the TOTAL picture.
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On the fluke punt return....
<<Also, there is no way that Javy could possibly make a play on a punt return right?>>
He could. I could win the lottery as well. Firs time in Miles career at LSU a punt return was returned for a TD. First time in 12 years in LSU-Bama games (Deuce, 1991 I think)- like over 110 punts..
yeah, I'll take the odds it would not hapopen again.
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And the wrap: (HHHHOOOOOORRRRRRAAAAYYYY)
<<I'm not sure why I am still even talking to you though>>
It appears you understand I know what I'm talking about.
<<ANYONE that says Shula>Saban is crazier than a run over dog>>
And just when I say the above, he spouts this....
ONCE AGAIN, you need to read ALL the posts. I simply stated Saban has basically wasted his talent and done less with more than Shula had--
I never said Shula was better. I queationed who to date really did a BETTER JOB, given the talent they have.
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I'll call it a night now. I simply can't explain anything else.
This is like talking to a wall....
My mind is at a loss as to why,given all the undisputable facts, you still queston my logic.
Funny thing is, I never stated LSU was going to win all their games, or even the SEC this year.
What I said- and can easily maintain-- is that
LSU will destroy Bama this year.
I've given you dozens of reasons.
End of story.
*SIGH*
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At least you're not BGreen or UA323 or AlabamaRTR. I remember that all too well.
When I guaranteed 7-5 last year, they simply spent weeks insulting... and then suddenly disappeared, never to be heard from again.
I'm asking you to be logical, and not delusional.
I've given you enough honest reasons why Bama should expect 6-6 or 7-5 again this year.
The rest is up to you. Just belly up to the bar and admit it, and then enjoy the best CFB website in America.
Just remember what team OWNS IT.
<<RTR>>
Nope...it's L.S.U. #1 [/b]
BT4, yes the tip of the ball did touch the ground but, hmmm, could it be that maybe his hands aren't bigger than a FOOTBALL? Are your hands bigger than a football? Having control constitutes a catch. I guess you think Pro's catch wasn't a catch too then since a portion of the ball touched the ground.>>
The end zone shot, the shot I'll try to find, not only shows the point of the ball hitting the ground, but also bouncing into this hands.
----------------------------------------
EDITED FOR THE LINK LINK
--------------------------------------
This view clearly shows the ball hitting the ground and coming up. The replay booth (the actuak link I was looking for) was able to blow the picture up-- that's why the reversal took about a minute- it was VERY clear.
Also, note the tie game and the fact you were 16 years form the endzone, and petty much going backwards the entire 4th quarter. The best you would have gotten was the FG, and LSU wouldn't have punted for the following TD.
Again-- honest opinion based on the facts of the game.
---------------------------------------------
<<BT4, still waiting on your response about your qb's being rattled>>
OK sure. That again was unintentionally overlooked and is easy to answer as well.
Let's see. Hmmmmmmm. Oh, yes, I know....
We play Auburn on the road, UF on the road and UGA before we play you-- at home.
The answer: By that time of the year... highly doubtful to HELL NEAUX.
He spouts on...
<<I guess Les would call the same play with your frosh this year in the AU game as he did last year with Flynn right?
My aren't we getting smart. Here's food for thought. Les DID NOT CALL THE PLAY.
CROWTON DID.
Back to the real subject in this lesson.
(snicker)... Matt Flynn only had 6 (SIX) starts in his LIFE when he threw that pass, and Flynn only had 6 months with OC Crowton to learn his system and Crowton-- again-- WHO CALLED THE PLAY-- (not Les Miles) to Dee Byrd, the WR who made a total fool of your so called All American all night..well..THAT was his SECOND START, and his TWELTH CATCH of the year.
Again, look it up.
==================================
More of what you don't know.
Both Hatch and Lee have TWO (2) years with Crowton. Lee is a redshirt, not a true freshman.
Bith will come in with as much experience as Flynn, with MORE time in Crowtons syatem.
HAtch has 2 years and 2 camps.
In other words, you better forget about a potential QB "problem" at LSU-- people who know Crowton and LSU happen to know there is none.
Do you remeber Mr. Crowton? I've mey him perasonally three times now. He's smiles
about 2008. That's good enough for me....
Bama of all people should know Gary. He's never lost to Bama, beating them twice in the 1990s at LOUISIANA TECH.
He hung 45 on defending Nationa Champ Nebraska in a losing effort in 1996, on the way to a histotic seasomn at LY with Tim Rattay. He then broke records as a head coach at BYU. As an OC, his Chicago Bears teams led the NFC in offense in 2002 and 2003.
Yeah-- THAT Gary Crowton.
The one that many think is the best OC in the country, and everone thinks is top three. Again, look it up.
Again, think about it. If anything, they both could be BETTER than Flynn. They both are better runners and Lee is the better passer. Oh and by the way, I bey you'll meet ordon Jefferson as well, when he probably score on an option in the
4th quarter as we rub a little more salt into the wound.
Again... see the TOTAL picture.
------------------------------------------------
On the fluke punt return....
<<Also, there is no way that Javy could possibly make a play on a punt return right?>>
He could. I could win the lottery as well. Firs time in Miles career at LSU a punt return was returned for a TD. First time in 12 years in LSU-Bama games (Deuce, 1991 I think)- like over 110 punts..
yeah, I'll take the odds it would not hapopen again.
--------------------------------------------
And the wrap: (HHHHOOOOOORRRRRRAAAAYYYY)
<<I'm not sure why I am still even talking to you though>>
It appears you understand I know what I'm talking about.
<<ANYONE that says Shula>Saban is crazier than a run over dog>>
And just when I say the above, he spouts this....
ONCE AGAIN, you need to read ALL the posts. I simply stated Saban has basically wasted his talent and done less with more than Shula had--
I never said Shula was better. I queationed who to date really did a BETTER JOB, given the talent they have.
------------
I'll call it a night now. I simply can't explain anything else.
This is like talking to a wall....
My mind is at a loss as to why,given all the undisputable facts, you still queston my logic.
Funny thing is, I never stated LSU was going to win all their games, or even the SEC this year.
What I said- and can easily maintain-- is that
LSU will destroy Bama this year.
I've given you dozens of reasons.
End of story.
*SIGH*
---------------------------------------------
At least you're not BGreen or UA323 or AlabamaRTR. I remember that all too well.
When I guaranteed 7-5 last year, they simply spent weeks insulting... and then suddenly disappeared, never to be heard from again.
I'm asking you to be logical, and not delusional.
I've given you enough honest reasons why Bama should expect 6-6 or 7-5 again this year.
The rest is up to you. Just belly up to the bar and admit it, and then enjoy the best CFB website in America.
Just remember what team OWNS IT.
<<RTR>>
Nope...it's L.S.U. #1 [/b]
This post was edited on 7/19/08 at 12:25 am
Posted on 7/18/08 at 11:58 pm to BT4LSU
Your recruiting addition not mine.
Saban 1895 and 2256 = 4151 not 3151
Shula 1426 and 2127 = 3553
I don't disagree with alot of what you are saying but in your rush to down (excuse me, prove your point) Bama by using facts then at least make your addition correct.
Just saying
Saban 1895 and 2256 = 4151 not 3151
Shula 1426 and 2127 = 3553
I don't disagree with alot of what you are saying but in your rush to down (excuse me, prove your point) Bama by using facts then at least make your addition correct.
Just saying
This post was edited on 7/19/08 at 12:04 am
Posted on 7/19/08 at 12:17 am to BamaFan21
This guy pretty much downs anything but especially Bama. Anyone who has optimism for their own team is delusional as well as anyone that thinks a frosh or ivy league qb will come in and have struggles throughout the year. He also believes that a RS Freshman will be better at managing a game than a RS Senior b/c of the number of starts Flynn had. Yeah makes sense to me. What I also don't understand is that their highly talented but young qb will be seasoned by the end of the year, enough so to not make any mistakes, but our highly talented freshmen are incapable of this. I guess we better just pack it in.
Yeah he will also find a way to say that your math is delusional and all some conspiracy that Saban has duped us into believeing.
Yeah he will also find a way to say that your math is delusional and all some conspiracy that Saban has duped us into believeing.
Posted on 7/19/08 at 12:30 am to KPCrimson
No I don't. Was I downing Bama when I stated they would go 7-5 last year? I was right.
Was I downing them when I stated they did not have te @1 recruiting class? It's now a fact.
With all the stuff I threw out there, I'm not worried amount a cople Rivals points. Did I ever say Bama did NOT have a good recruiting class? Did I even say LSU was better in 2008? Nope.
Again, you're choosing to read selectively, just liek when you accused me of saying Shula was better than Saban. I never said it.
Now-- who delusional?
---------------Now he flips it!!!--------------
<<I guess we better just pack it in>>
Again, I disagree. You're rebuilding.
Another 7-5 year will get you a bowl and additional practice.
You should at least try.
But remember this, a point I keep hammering:
KNOW YOUR ROLE.
On November 8th---- spare your eyes.
I assure you, there won't be enough body bags.
You guys are sad. Honestly. I've tried to e rational. And this is what I get.
Was I downing them when I stated they did not have te @1 recruiting class? It's now a fact.
With all the stuff I threw out there, I'm not worried amount a cople Rivals points. Did I ever say Bama did NOT have a good recruiting class? Did I even say LSU was better in 2008? Nope.
Again, you're choosing to read selectively, just liek when you accused me of saying Shula was better than Saban. I never said it.
Now-- who delusional?
---------------Now he flips it!!!--------------
<<I guess we better just pack it in>>
Again, I disagree. You're rebuilding.
Another 7-5 year will get you a bowl and additional practice.
You should at least try.
But remember this, a point I keep hammering:
KNOW YOUR ROLE.
On November 8th---- spare your eyes.
I assure you, there won't be enough body bags.
You guys are sad. Honestly. I've tried to e rational. And this is what I get.
This post was edited on 7/19/08 at 12:38 am
Posted on 7/19/08 at 12:45 am to BT4LSU
I was merely pointing out your math. You had this long post about recruiting and how Shula beat Saban with his last two classes. Suddenly, when I point out your mistake in adding I'm nitpicking. Look, I don't care if we're #1 or #10 in recruiting. According to most so called experts it's a very good class but I'll hold judgement until I see them play.
This post was edited on 7/19/08 at 12:48 am
Posted on 7/19/08 at 1:36 am to BamaFan21
Again, he is using selective judgement. He wants to compare Saban's 1st year of recruiting to Shula's 4th. He wants to compare Saban's 1st year w's to Shula's 4th but also 3rd since Shula had an awesome defense due to being senior laden and having a couple of first round picks. He talks about Shula's recruiting except leaves out the fact that he signed Mike Ford every year he was there nearly, as well as Kerry Murphy. He also acts like we are the only ones that don't get every player that signs. I posted "Facts" (He loves that word) about how many 5*, 4*, and 3* we had even after the losses and was told I was delusional based on the law of averages. However, he did not look at anyone else's losses of players, nor the fact that in all liklihood our class would still have been ranked #1 but at worst #3. I do care more about rankings than I should, I guess, but with few exceptions (ND, AU etc), the rankings of recruiting is generally how they end up.
Now I will concede the fact that we tanked down the stretch. Miss St, ULM, were inexcusable and should never have happened. I will concede that it is Saban's responsibility to get them ready for the game and they were not. I do think that it is not beyond the realm of possibility, though, that he had them believing they could win against you guys. To lose, especially the way we lost, I think the team was demoralized and quit. It was fairly obvious he lost the team. I also think though that many of the cancers that were on the team are now gone. So, I look forward to this year. Like it or not, believe it or not, there are some very, very good RS players and some very, very good frosh coming in that will contribute in a major way. Yep, they will make mistakes, but they are also going to scare the heck out of a lot of people. In the words of the Louisiana cajun, "I guarontee!"
One last fact for you BT4.....EVERY, yes, EVERY coach that has coached at Bama in the last 25 years has won 10 games. I think (I'm sure you have the exact number on hand though) all of them have done this by there 3rd year or sooner. Go ahead BT4 tell me about Saban's past of not getting 10 wins, tell me how he won't do it at Bama, tell me how he had nothing to do with LSU's resurgence, how LSU made him but couldn't make DiNardo. I know all of that. Don't forget ULM and 6. Know all of that too. Like I've said before, I am very optimistic about our year and September can't get here soon enough. I have enjoyed debating with you but for me this thread is done. I think we are 8-4, 9-3, you don't. You think we are 6-6, 7-5 or worse, I don't. Enough said let's move on.
Now I will concede the fact that we tanked down the stretch. Miss St, ULM, were inexcusable and should never have happened. I will concede that it is Saban's responsibility to get them ready for the game and they were not. I do think that it is not beyond the realm of possibility, though, that he had them believing they could win against you guys. To lose, especially the way we lost, I think the team was demoralized and quit. It was fairly obvious he lost the team. I also think though that many of the cancers that were on the team are now gone. So, I look forward to this year. Like it or not, believe it or not, there are some very, very good RS players and some very, very good frosh coming in that will contribute in a major way. Yep, they will make mistakes, but they are also going to scare the heck out of a lot of people. In the words of the Louisiana cajun, "I guarontee!"
One last fact for you BT4.....EVERY, yes, EVERY coach that has coached at Bama in the last 25 years has won 10 games. I think (I'm sure you have the exact number on hand though) all of them have done this by there 3rd year or sooner. Go ahead BT4 tell me about Saban's past of not getting 10 wins, tell me how he won't do it at Bama, tell me how he had nothing to do with LSU's resurgence, how LSU made him but couldn't make DiNardo. I know all of that. Don't forget ULM and 6. Know all of that too. Like I've said before, I am very optimistic about our year and September can't get here soon enough. I have enjoyed debating with you but for me this thread is done. I think we are 8-4, 9-3, you don't. You think we are 6-6, 7-5 or worse, I don't. Enough said let's move on.
Posted on 7/19/08 at 5:15 am to KPCrimson
BT4: Your knowledge of sports is astounding. I can't argue with you, point for point, and I will take back my implication that it is obvious that BAMA has already turned the corner.
But I still believe they have. I am not worried about them this year, but I think they are getting better. I am 51, and probably older than you, and remember when their program was different, so for me they always matter, and I wouldn't mind their taking Aub.'s place, as one of the top teams in the west.
But I still believe they have. I am not worried about them this year, but I think they are getting better. I am 51, and probably older than you, and remember when their program was different, so for me they always matter, and I wouldn't mind their taking Aub.'s place, as one of the top teams in the west.
Posted on 7/19/08 at 8:28 am to BT4LSU
quote:
BT4LSU
I have a lot of trouble taking someone seriously that breaks down someone's posts as much as you. You are like the = to a nerdy Star Wars kid, but talk about how LSU walks on water, and Alabama eats cat poop.
You also seem like the worst kind of person when it comes to being correct about something. Oh hey, I was right about what Alabama's win loss total was. I R THE GREETEST! Fear my awesome knowledge! I know all!!!!!!
Give me a damn break.
Posted on 7/19/08 at 9:18 am to El Guapo21
ULM>Gumps
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:rotflmao:Posted on 7/19/08 at 9:51 am to BT4LSU
quote:
BT4LSU
Please get a life. I would hate to know you in person I might haul off and hit you square in the nose. You ramble more than anyone I know and probably sound like Gilbert Godfrey in real life
Posted on 7/20/08 at 7:10 am to RockyStop
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This post was edited on 7/20/08 at 7:12 am
Posted on 7/20/08 at 7:20 am to RockyStop
<<You ramble more than anyone I know>>
Here is the problem Stop.
We've spent days/weeks/months/years/generations
telling chimps you how deluded some Bama fans are about their team, their assessment of LSU, and more than anything else, our coaches.
Remember, you're on OUR board.
Don't like it?
You can simply pack it up and head on over to
Bamaweknowwe'relyingbutarethebestateverything.comget you pacifier out and suck away.
----------------------------------
The initial part of this thread was meant
to address the revelence of your team. It's
spun in many other directions because of all the excuses people have been made.
Now, as we once again attempt to end this spat,
you can see I never once said "Bama sucks" or
Bama can't beat LSU. I answered comments and
questions fairly and within reason.
Yet you're thinking a rational post is a slam on Bama.
If I say Ole Miss is going 5-7 and Arky is going 6-6 they are not going to cry in the woods.
You however, so...you think it's a given you're going 10-3, despite the fact you've won 10 games exactly once in a decade.
[/b] Not any more than either Ole Miss or Arkansas. Again, just to prove my point.
Many of the delusional fan Base have no clue about football. They simply think it's Bama's god given right to win titles, despite fact
the last 25 years half the SEC has won more SEC titles than bama has, and Bama is nothing futher than a middle of thr pack SEC school since 1982.
Our recent success has nothing to do with the
success we had in the 1980s and failure of the 1990s.It has to do with the NOW.
You expect old times so much, you fail to see the entire picture.
------------------------------
There are many good Bama posters. Poster who readily admit that I am right,who have decent conversations about not just Bama and LSU, but the entire SEC. Trust me... as I continue to laugh...
You are not one of them.
You prove it everyday.
-------------------------------------
Right off the bat--your screen name is a clear indication you live through other teams failures and not the success (or failures in your case) of the very team you support.
Weak.
And this is why a lot of LSU fans laugh at
supposed Bama fans like you. You're delusional
and offer no substance as to why Bama will be better.
And that's why I, and many LSU posters, simply
don't respect you.
Slamming and living through other teams, and in denial of the relevence of your own.
Sad.
It shows your true colors.
And this is why a lot of LSU fans laugh at you, and some of the Bama fans.
You're simply a very weak person, Stop.
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<<hit you square in the nose. probably sound like Gilbert Godfrey in real life>>
Many know me.
Hittng me would be a really, REALLY
bad idea.
And no-I don't sound like Gilbert. I'm just
a former player who happens to know a ton more about football than you EVER will, or admit.
AnNd can defend myself - and my team- quite well,
because I CAN admit the truth.
Unlike you.
Here is the problem Stop.
We've spent days/weeks/months/years/generations
telling chimps you how deluded some Bama fans are about their team, their assessment of LSU, and more than anything else, our coaches.
Remember, you're on OUR board.
Don't like it?
You can simply pack it up and head on over to
Bamaweknowwe'relyingbutarethebestateverything.comget you pacifier out and suck away.
----------------------------------
The initial part of this thread was meant
to address the revelence of your team. It's
spun in many other directions because of all the excuses people have been made.
Now, as we once again attempt to end this spat,
you can see I never once said "Bama sucks" or
Bama can't beat LSU. I answered comments and
questions fairly and within reason.
Yet you're thinking a rational post is a slam on Bama.
If I say Ole Miss is going 5-7 and Arky is going 6-6 they are not going to cry in the woods.
You however, so...you think it's a given you're going 10-3, despite the fact you've won 10 games exactly once in a decade.
[/b] Not any more than either Ole Miss or Arkansas. Again, just to prove my point.
Many of the delusional fan Base have no clue about football. They simply think it's Bama's god given right to win titles, despite fact
the last 25 years half the SEC has won more SEC titles than bama has, and Bama is nothing futher than a middle of thr pack SEC school since 1982.
Our recent success has nothing to do with the
success we had in the 1980s and failure of the 1990s.It has to do with the NOW.
You expect old times so much, you fail to see the entire picture.
------------------------------
There are many good Bama posters. Poster who readily admit that I am right,who have decent conversations about not just Bama and LSU, but the entire SEC. Trust me... as I continue to laugh...
You are not one of them.
You prove it everyday.
-------------------------------------
Right off the bat--your screen name is a clear indication you live through other teams failures and not the success (or failures in your case) of the very team you support.
Weak.
And this is why a lot of LSU fans laugh at
supposed Bama fans like you. You're delusional
and offer no substance as to why Bama will be better.
And that's why I, and many LSU posters, simply
don't respect you.
Slamming and living through other teams, and in denial of the relevence of your own.
Sad.
It shows your true colors.
And this is why a lot of LSU fans laugh at you, and some of the Bama fans.
You're simply a very weak person, Stop.
----------------------------
<<hit you square in the nose. probably sound like Gilbert Godfrey in real life>>
Many know me.
Hittng me would be a really, REALLY
bad idea.
And no-I don't sound like Gilbert. I'm just
a former player who happens to know a ton more about football than you EVER will, or admit.
AnNd can defend myself - and my team- quite well,
because I CAN admit the truth.
Unlike you.
This post was edited on 7/20/08 at 7:24 am
Posted on 7/20/08 at 8:47 am to BT4LSU
Bama is like Biff in back to the future. A bully back in the day but nothing special now.
Now a song for the Bama Boys and Girls
Glory Days
Now a song for the Bama Boys and Girls
Glory Days
Posted on 7/20/08 at 10:01 pm to BT4LSU
BT4LSU,
"There are many good Bama posters. Posters that readily admit I'm right."
Man, you are really full of yourself aren't you?
The only way a Bama Fan can be a "good" poster is if they agree with you.
I know that you come on here and post "facts" that can't be disputed but what is wrong with someone being optimistic about their team. Anytime a Bama fan comes on here and says anything positive you try and tear them down with your "facts."
And by the way I know this is an LSU site BUT this forum is called SEC Rant. I was under the impression that it ws set up for all SEC fans.
"There are many good Bama posters. Posters that readily admit I'm right."
Man, you are really full of yourself aren't you?
The only way a Bama Fan can be a "good" poster is if they agree with you.
I know that you come on here and post "facts" that can't be disputed but what is wrong with someone being optimistic about their team. Anytime a Bama fan comes on here and says anything positive you try and tear them down with your "facts."
And by the way I know this is an LSU site BUT this forum is called SEC Rant. I was under the impression that it ws set up for all SEC fans.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 11:38 pm to BamaFan21
BF21.....
He starts right off the bat with a Crimson- attitude. <<BT4LSU, Man, you are really full of yourself aren't you?>>
Depends. I call it CONFIDENCE. (LOL!!)
Many say I'm right based on my knowledge of the game. Many say I'm right because I am student of the game. <any say I'm right because I played the game. Or I know coaches in many places...
Many same I'm right because I speak to numerous fellow SEC posters, all unbiased, amd we all talk SEC football.
I'm not always right. But I can give you a lot of supporting information for my opinions.
Next question.
-----------------------------------
<<The only way a Bama Fan can be a "good" poster is if they agree with you.
First mistake. All I ask is that you bring an
A game with clean, unbiased fact. Saying LSU is going to lose because Les MIles coaches us is..
well... stupid.
Thinking that our new QB, who has more time in Gary Crowton system than Flynn (two years to one) and with more starts by the time we play Bama is also a very weak answer.
Any 5th grader can make these comments.
Now, if you can tell me how Bama is going to 2 gap us, or overload us on the weak side when we're in a three wideout set... perhaps you'll win a little respect.
Next...
---------------------------------
<<I know that you come on here and post "facts" that can't be disputed.... but what is wrong with someone being optimistic about their team. Anytime a Bama fan comes on here and says anything positive you try and tear them down with your "facts." >>
Nothing. You can post, why can't I disagree?
My "facts"... are data simply gathered to
either agree or disagree. I ALWAYS support my
answers.
And yes...I'll can spin you head with them, because I love the game. I constantly want to know because it affect my team. It helps me understand the game more than your average bama fan. It also allows me to speak a little more freely.
Now, back to your position.
There is a difference between being positive,
and being delusional. You're being unfair to
-Saban expecting anything more than 7-5. I will tell you this: Bama has to sink or swim with Nick Saban. Run him out, and Bama may never recover. Nick has a lot of things going for his and a lot of things going against him. I'm not conviced with your OC, just like I was not convinced with Applewhite. Bringing Bobby Williams in in my opinon is not a good thing.
Saban simply needs to let someone run the offense
like he did at LSU when he had Jimbo. However,
he's such a control freak it's actually hurting your team.
This is no slam. It's a well thoughtout OPINION.
Does what I say now make sense without thinking of it as an insult?
Bama will struggle again this year, for the 9th time in 12 years. But I believe you are going in the right direction. But the right direction DOES NOT mean 13-1 anytime soon.
Let's take it from the top. When I say LSU probably will go 10-2,or 9-3 I usually can write 1500 reasons WHY we will. When a person states BAMA is going 9-3, I simply want a reason
why. If I ask you why & then here something stupid like "because were bama!" You'll get no respect.
And then I will tell you WHY.
Why is that so bothersome to you? IF you're one of the bama fans from last year, hey, I tried to tell you. I'm trying to again tell you to be realistic. Bama is easly 2-3 years from being a LSU, or Florida. If you would have told me in 1995 that LSU was going to beat UF and Bama in 1996, I would have told you you're out of your mind. LSU simply did not have the talent. And I'm telling you that now about your team. In 2008
Bama is short on talent and experience in key spots.
Why is that tearing a person, or team down?
You'll see soon enough.
------------------------------
And by the way I know this is an LSU site BUT this forum is called SEC Rant. I was under the impression that it ws set up for all SEC fans.
Yep,I have have man posts about Florida, Auburn Arky and UGA. Funny-- the only ones that get offended are Bama fans. Is it because you have no answer to my opinions, or you hate knowing the truth? It took years to mess Bama up. It will take years to get Bama back up.
You have a coach who can.
BTW....since you are a newbie, checkout all the boards. You'll find useful information on just about every SEC team. That's why you are here--
the LSU boards are the best. So read learn and
if you can offer something great. When it comes to your team this year, no reason to thank me...It's the SEC Rant board. We're ranting SEC football. LSU fans showed the world how to do it right. Read up and enjoy it.
Or go back to your Bama boards--- for all the "positive information" you need.
(We sure have no reason to go there now....right?
Out.
He starts right off the bat with a Crimson- attitude. <<BT4LSU, Man, you are really full of yourself aren't you?>>
Depends. I call it CONFIDENCE. (LOL!!)
Many say I'm right based on my knowledge of the game. Many say I'm right because I am student of the game. <any say I'm right because I played the game. Or I know coaches in many places...
Many same I'm right because I speak to numerous fellow SEC posters, all unbiased, amd we all talk SEC football.
I'm not always right. But I can give you a lot of supporting information for my opinions.
Next question.
-----------------------------------
<<The only way a Bama Fan can be a "good" poster is if they agree with you.
First mistake. All I ask is that you bring an
A game with clean, unbiased fact. Saying LSU is going to lose because Les MIles coaches us is..
well... stupid.
Thinking that our new QB, who has more time in Gary Crowton system than Flynn (two years to one) and with more starts by the time we play Bama is also a very weak answer.
Any 5th grader can make these comments.
Now, if you can tell me how Bama is going to 2 gap us, or overload us on the weak side when we're in a three wideout set... perhaps you'll win a little respect.
Next...
---------------------------------
<<I know that you come on here and post "facts" that can't be disputed.... but what is wrong with someone being optimistic about their team. Anytime a Bama fan comes on here and says anything positive you try and tear them down with your "facts." >>
Nothing. You can post, why can't I disagree?
My "facts"... are data simply gathered to
either agree or disagree. I ALWAYS support my
answers.
And yes...I'll can spin you head with them, because I love the game. I constantly want to know because it affect my team. It helps me understand the game more than your average bama fan. It also allows me to speak a little more freely.
Now, back to your position.
There is a difference between being positive,
and being delusional. You're being unfair to
-Saban expecting anything more than 7-5. I will tell you this: Bama has to sink or swim with Nick Saban. Run him out, and Bama may never recover. Nick has a lot of things going for his and a lot of things going against him. I'm not conviced with your OC, just like I was not convinced with Applewhite. Bringing Bobby Williams in in my opinon is not a good thing.
Saban simply needs to let someone run the offense
like he did at LSU when he had Jimbo. However,
he's such a control freak it's actually hurting your team.
This is no slam. It's a well thoughtout OPINION.
Does what I say now make sense without thinking of it as an insult?
Bama will struggle again this year, for the 9th time in 12 years. But I believe you are going in the right direction. But the right direction DOES NOT mean 13-1 anytime soon.
Let's take it from the top. When I say LSU probably will go 10-2,or 9-3 I usually can write 1500 reasons WHY we will. When a person states BAMA is going 9-3, I simply want a reason
why. If I ask you why & then here something stupid like "because were bama!" You'll get no respect.
And then I will tell you WHY.
Why is that so bothersome to you? IF you're one of the bama fans from last year, hey, I tried to tell you. I'm trying to again tell you to be realistic. Bama is easly 2-3 years from being a LSU, or Florida. If you would have told me in 1995 that LSU was going to beat UF and Bama in 1996, I would have told you you're out of your mind. LSU simply did not have the talent. And I'm telling you that now about your team. In 2008
Bama is short on talent and experience in key spots.
Why is that tearing a person, or team down?
You'll see soon enough.
------------------------------
And by the way I know this is an LSU site BUT this forum is called SEC Rant. I was under the impression that it ws set up for all SEC fans.
Yep,I have have man posts about Florida, Auburn Arky and UGA. Funny-- the only ones that get offended are Bama fans. Is it because you have no answer to my opinions, or you hate knowing the truth? It took years to mess Bama up. It will take years to get Bama back up.
You have a coach who can.
BTW....since you are a newbie, checkout all the boards. You'll find useful information on just about every SEC team. That's why you are here--
the LSU boards are the best. So read learn and
if you can offer something great. When it comes to your team this year, no reason to thank me...It's the SEC Rant board. We're ranting SEC football. LSU fans showed the world how to do it right. Read up and enjoy it.
Or go back to your Bama boards--- for all the "positive information" you need.
(We sure have no reason to go there now....right?
Out.
This post was edited on 7/20/08 at 11:55 pm
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