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Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
In '09 I'm sure Mark Ingram is listed as the starting QB against VTech, but only because he took the first snap out of the wildcat formation. I don't put a lot of emphasis on "starts".
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:29 pm to tider04
ONE returning starter on Dline
ONE returning starter at LB
I wouldn't classify that as tons of returning starters.
Granted the tide had a solid two deep along the front seven. Very talented and experienced, no doubt. Of those fourteen players they lose SIX almost half.
bama's front seven going into the '15 season had lost only three off the '14 two deep. Only two of them were starters the third was a backup Dlineman. tide basically had the same two deep front seven two years running. That's why the '15 "D" was so good.
starting front seven in '16 will be as good as usual. It's the backups that aren't as experienced yet.
ONE returning starter at LB
I wouldn't classify that as tons of returning starters.
Granted the tide had a solid two deep along the front seven. Very talented and experienced, no doubt. Of those fourteen players they lose SIX almost half.
bama's front seven going into the '15 season had lost only three off the '14 two deep. Only two of them were starters the third was a backup Dlineman. tide basically had the same two deep front seven two years running. That's why the '15 "D" was so good.
starting front seven in '16 will be as good as usual. It's the backups that aren't as experienced yet.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:29 pm to Cobrasize
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In '09 I'm sure Mark Ingram is listed as the starting QB against VTech, but only because he took the first snap out of the wildcat formation. I don't put a lot of emphasis on "starts".
Bingo. Anyone who thinks Bama's defense isn't returning a ton of experience/starts and absolutely loaded to the gills with talent wasn't paying attention. Looking at who took the first snap of every game is a piss poor berometer of what they'll see on the field in 2016 from this Alabama defense. Top 5 defense, easy.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:31 pm to tider04
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Ryan Anderson and Tim Williams are a great case in point
Returnees by Tackles
2. Reuben Foster (73)
5. Eddie Jackson (46)
7. Marlon Humphrey (45)
7. Minkah Fitzpatrick (45)
10. Ryan Anderson (37)
11. Jonathan Allen (37)
12. Dalvin Tomlinson (34)
14. SD Hamilton (27)
16. Tim Williams (19)
18. Ronnie Harrison (17)
19. Tony Brown (16)
20. Da'Shawn Hand (16)
23. Daron Payne (13)
24. Rashaan Evans (10)
25. Keith Holcombe (9)
Returnees by Sacks
1. Jonathan Allen (12)
2. Tim Williams (10.5)
3. Ryan Anderson (6.0)
4. Rashaan Evans (4.0)
6. Da'Shawn Hand (3.0)
8. Minkah Fitzpatrick (2.0)
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:33 pm to 167back
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ONE returning starter on Dline
We return our top 4 sack leaders (Allen, Williams, Anderson, Evans) and 7 of our top 12 tacklers as well as 4/5 of our secondary.
I don't know who is classified as a "starter", but we return 13 guys on defense who played a LOT last season in CRITICAL moments.
D. Tomlinson (DT) (SR)
D. Payne (DT) (SO)
J. Allen (DE/DT) (SR)
D. Hand (DE)(JR)
T. Williams (DE) (JR)
R. Anderson (DE) (SR)
R. Evans (OLB) (JR)
SD Hamilton (LB) (SO)
R. Foster (LB) (SR)
R. Harrison (S) (SO)
E. Jackson (S) (SR)
M. Humphrey (CB) (SO)
M. Fitzpatrick (CB/star) (SO)
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:34 pm to 167back
It's amazing how consistently wrong you LSU fans are about Alabama. Perhaps it's because you aren't actually fans of Alabama? I know I don't go around telling LSU fans what their achilles' heel will be each and every year. Why? Because I'm not a fan and don't follow your team.
In 2014 and 2015 we were constantly told we had no QB. In both seasons LSU fans were proven wrong. This year it is our running backs and our front seven. My lord. I had hoped one day that a majority of you would finally display high football IQs. I have come to the conclusion that such a day will never happen.
In 2014 and 2015 we were constantly told we had no QB. In both seasons LSU fans were proven wrong. This year it is our running backs and our front seven. My lord. I had hoped one day that a majority of you would finally display high football IQs. I have come to the conclusion that such a day will never happen.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If D.Hand stays healthy, he is going to have a monster year.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Yo george it's cool.
There's no doubt in my mind that the tide will have a rock solid starting front seven. My point being all along is that they don't have the EXPERIENCED backups they had in '15.
Some bama fans are trying to pass off smith and frazier as quality experienced backups on the DLine. That's not even close to reality. They only played in a few games last year with very little production to show for it.
Same at LB. The four backups I saw listed on a two deep depth chart had a total of 19 tackles with at least six coming on ST. Two didn't have any tackles at all.
There's no doubt in my mind that the tide will have a rock solid starting front seven. My point being all along is that they don't have the EXPERIENCED backups they had in '15.
Some bama fans are trying to pass off smith and frazier as quality experienced backups on the DLine. That's not even close to reality. They only played in a few games last year with very little production to show for it.
Same at LB. The four backups I saw listed on a two deep depth chart had a total of 19 tackles with at least six coming on ST. Two didn't have any tackles at all.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:45 pm to 167back
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ONE returning starter on Dline
ONE returning starter at LB
I wouldn't classify that as tons of returning starters.
Again, not really. Allen returns as a full time starter after passing up a potential 1st round selection this year in the draft. Payne was our starting NT after the first couple of games of the season last year, even though he technically only got three starts. Played as much as a starter and was a monster in the middle. Only going to get better, so saying he wasn't a starter last year may help you sleep at night, but he did start multiple games and was considered our starting NG for 80 percent of the season last year. Tomilson had almost as many tackles Allen who will be a first rounder. Hand is a stud who started coming into his own toward the end of the season and played about as much as a starter. Throw in King as an older guy with two years of JUCO experience plus spring ball under his belt, not to mention young and talented guys like Frazier, Smith, Hulk and others and you cannot say anything other than this is a sick unit talent wise, with alot of experience with the top 4 guys. And yes, the two deep beyond Tomilson isn't as experienced as last years two deep. Don't think that will matter much, especially after the first month of the season when those guys all become vets.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:46 pm to 167back
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My point being all along is that they don't have the EXPERIENCED backups they had in '15.
I do agree that we will lack experienced backups at DT, which is where Frazier and the JuCo will be expected to contribute. I think our DE/pass rush DT spots are 2-deep with guys who have played a lot of important minutes, same with our DE spots.
LB has a plethora of guys who had huge game experience. Rashaan Evans played a ton against Clemson. SD Hamilton played quite a bit throughout the season. There will be 1-2 new guys expected to step in, as is usual, but that's how you keep building the depth.
I think that this group, across the board (including the secondary), is deeper, more experienced and more talented than 2015. I don't know that they will be a better defense because of how good the DL was last year. The secondary should be really, really good. The pass rush will be incredibly good.
The biggest thing is this team has experienced leaders at all 3 levels.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:55 pm to 167back
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Some bama fans are trying to pass off smith and frazier as quality experienced backups on the DLine. That's not even close to reality. They only played in a few games last year with very little production to show for it.
They are quality back ups who got snaps. Nobody said they played a ton. Not their fault as young guys that they were behind nothing but future first and second round NFL picks. As far as production, they both played nose...not their job to get tackles or stats of any kind for that matter. Clog the middle and demand double teams and you are a super star at nose, and will never have many stats to show for it. Fact. Again, you continue to look at the wrong things to gauge Bama's defense. Maybe stick to analyzing your team and let people who actually follow Alabama inform you of their strengths and weaknesses?
Posted on 3/15/16 at 12:02 am to SummerOfGeorge
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D. Tomlinson (DT) (SR)
D. Payne (DT) (SO)
J. Allen (DE/DT) (SR)
D. Hand (DE)(JR)
T. Williams (DE) (JR)
R. Anderson (DE) (SR)
R. Evans (OLB) (JR)
SD Hamilton (LB) (SO)
R. Foster (LB) (SR)
R. Harrison (S) (SO)
E. Jackson (S) (SR)
M. Humphrey (CB) (SO)
M. Fitzpatrick (CB/star) (SO)
Mo Smith also played a lot at money. Brown played a good bit and even started a game before his suspension. Secondary is absolutely loaded. (I also hear Sheffield is too good to keep off the field after a RS year which could allow Saban to keep Fitz at star).
This post was edited on 3/15/16 at 12:06 am
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:01 am to ArabianKnight
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Blake Barnett in the Wishbone
Uh oh...
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:10 am to tider04
quote:This is one of the guys who had LSU kicking Alabama's arse for the last 5 years...he's got it all figured out!
They are quality back ups who got snaps. Nobody said they played a ton. Not their fault as young guys that they were behind nothing but future first and second round NFL picks. As far as production, they both played nose...not their job to get tackles or stats of any kind for that matter. Clog the middle and demand double teams and you are a super star at nose, and will never have many stats to show for it. Fact. Again, you continue to look at the wrong things to gauge Bama's defense. Maybe stick to analyzing your team and let people who actually follow Alabama inform you of their strengths and weaknesses?
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:38 am to coachcrisp
Saban really has done a number on the LSU fanbase. Maybe Fournette can double his performance from last year and get to 62 yds rushing against the oh so inexperienced 2nd and 3rd string front 7 come next November. Smh
Posted on 3/15/16 at 8:44 am to coachcrisp
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This is one of the guys who had LSU kicking Alabama's arse for the last 5 years...he's got it all figured out
This is the year! No body beats L5U 4, uh 5 uh 6 times in a row.
Don't crush their dreams about how this is the year Bama will not be as good and will see a dropoff. Saban will never stay in Tuscaloosa more than 4 years, no way Bama can replace all that production from the 2014 team. Nope, this is the year baw. LF is super pissed this year, gonna go off on Bama for 62 yards this time. Baw, tfear , savages, Cam, Arnada, baw, night game deaf valley, dreams are gonna die, STTDB , baw, 5 for 5 and 10 first rounders, this is the year!
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