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re: Alabama AD trying to kill the baseball program by retaining Mitch Gaspard
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:42 pm to therick711
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:42 pm to therick711
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Explain Texas A&M, Clemson, UCLA, Michigan State, Washington, and Texas Tech football, for instance.
football is an entirely different animal than any other college sport.
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:46 pm to therick711
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Explain Texas A&M, Clemson, UCLA, Michigan State, Washington, and Texas Tech football, for instance.
Texas A&M has won a big time game and bowl in the last five years. So have Clemson, Michigan State, UCLA and Texas Tech. All of those programs have wins over top five opponents in the last five years.
Alabama baseball has struggled to be above .500 in the SEC the last five years. The two sports are different, but even the teams you've listed have found success since Alabama baseball was relevant.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:47 pm to AHM21
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Why does Alabama spend $40 million on a stadium when they clearly don't care about being successful?
It's a "frick you" to UAB.
"You can't build a stadium even though most of the money for it will be donated because the team doesn't make money!... Next item up for discussion. I think we should spend $40 million on a new stadium for Alabama Baseball. Maybe if we get them out of their current outdated facilities and build them a new stadium it will help with recruiting and the team might actually win and stop losing money. Sounds logical"
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:48 pm to lsufball19
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football is an entirely different animal than any other college sport.
Explain Ole Miss baseball, South Carolina basketball, Illinois Basketball, there is an entire litany of examples.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:50 pm to therick711
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Explain Ole Miss baseball
Ole Miss baseball DID NOT have good attendance until Bianco made them into a good program. I went to the LSU/OM series every year it was in Oxford prior to his arrival and there were as many LSU fans there as Ole Miss fans.
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Illinois Basketball
they are a good program historically. that is an awful example
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South Carolina basketball
outliers can be found in any set of statistical data. that doesn't refute the norm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:55 pm to lsufball19
I've already listed a ton of teams. Golden State Basketball, the Knicks, Cleveland. The assertion that it is that way everywhere has actually been pretty successfully refuted even considering those that advance that that is the norm carry the burden of proof on that assertion.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 1:55 pm to lsufball19
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they are a good program historically. that is an awful example
So is Alabama baseball. If their current struggles aren't relevant, what the frick is?
It is one of the best examples there is. I'm not sure you know what is being proposed here. The major premise is that the only teams that have fans that care about them are teams that are enjoying success.This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:03 pm to therick711
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So is Alabama baseball. If their current struggles aren't relevant, what the frick is? It is one of the best examples there is. I'm not sure you know what is being proposed here. The major premise is that the only teams that have fans that care about them are teams that are enjoying success.
so we're going to also discount that college baseball is a niche sport nationally and basketball isn't? baseball is a non-revenue sport at almost every college in america, even ones that do have decent fan support. basketball is profitable almost everywhere, even without overwhelming fan support comparatively.
for a niche sport, statistically speaking, you are not going to have good attendance without the product on the field being successful. yes, there are outliers, but by-and-large that is the case. comparing a sport like football or basketball to a sport like baseball is just ignorant
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:05 pm to therick711
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Golden State Basketball, the Knicks, Cleveland.
professional teams, yes let's compare them to a sport like college baseball
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:05 pm to lsufball19
I take that as a recant about Illinois. You were dead wrong. Alabama baseball has had the same or comparable level of success of all those teams listed. You have moved on to a new argument. Just admit that your original refutation was not sound at all. If you can be big enough to do that, then maybe we'll look at your latest attempt to try and refute the major premise.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:06 pm to therick711
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The major premise is that the only teams that have fans that care about them are teams that are enjoying success.
Have you watched Alabama baseball lately? I often attended games where Alabama was mid pack in the SEC. I refuse to support the product right now. Does that make me less of a fan?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:07 pm to lsufball19
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professional teams, yes let's compare them to a sport like college baseball
I didn't make the comparison. Read the thread.
Let me help you out:
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Why limit that to Alabama fans? For the most part when it comes to sports on all levels, that's the case. It's human nature and few programs are going to fill seats if the team is sub .500.
Are you denying that what I've provided is responsive to this? You need to stop and go read the thread, my man.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:08 pm to therick711
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Are you denying that what I've provided is responsive to this? You need to stop and go read the thread, my man.
You can't compare the NBA to college baseball. That's like comparing a filet to a can of Spam.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:08 pm to therick711
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Alabama baseball has had the same or comparable level of success of all those teams listed. You have moved on to a new argument. Just admit that your original refutation was not sound at all. If you can be big enough to do that, then maybe we'll look at your latest attempt to try and refute the major premise.
the major premise is that, generally speaking, non-revenue sports do not have great fan support when they're not winning. and that is generally true across the board. comparing basketball and football (and professional sports
) to non-revenue sports is ignorant. i'm sorry if you don't see that. it is not unique to alabama fans. it's generally true of college fans everywhere.Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:09 pm to lsufball19
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he major premise is that, generally speaking, non-revenue sports do not have great fan support when they're not winning. and that is generally true across the board. comparing basketball and football (and professional sports ) to non-revenue sports is ignorant. i'm sorry if you don't see that. it is not unique to alabama fans. it's generally true of college fans everywhere.
False.
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Why limit that to Alabama fans? For the most part when it comes to sports on all levels, that's the case. It's human nature and few programs are going to fill seats if the team is sub .500.
That's what was said.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:10 pm to RollTide1987
says the fan of a terrible program.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:12 pm to therick711
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Why limit that to Alabama fans? For the most part when it comes to sports on all levels, that's the case. It's human nature and few programs are going to fill seats if the team is sub .500.
I still stand by this and say it's true.
For every fan base that supports a losing team, I'll show you nine more that refuse to support a resume built on losing..
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:13 pm to NFLU
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says the fan of a terrible program.
I'd say that even if they were #1 in the country. I couldn't care less about college baseball. I said the same thing when we were winning championships in golf, softball, as well as gymnastics. Great. Have yourselves a golf clap. All I care about is winning championships in the two sports that actually matter to universities - football and basketball. Everything else is just fluff entertainment.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:14 pm to therick711
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That's what was said.
so was this
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All of that is wrong, but it is fine that you believe it. My post was pointing out the frontrunning nature of Bama fans. Softball was important because Bama was good at it. Now they are in the middle of a host of great SEC teams (which is still elite nationwide, mind you), so no one cares.
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So is college gymnastics, but when Bama is good, you would think that the product was just the same as the pro product. The reasoning is laughable. The real issue is Bama fans are frontrunners. They care only about sports in which they win championships. That's the long and short of it.
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It doesn't surprise me at all that Bama fans think this. Yet there are Bill and Browns fans. Gamecock football fans pre-Spurrier. South Carolina follows basketball very closely. Kentucky fans care about football. State fans care about all of their sports, they've never really been good at anything other than baseball.
the bolded is laughable. y'all follow the three major sports, good for you
regardless, you seem to like focusing on outliers rather than the norm. like the above poster said, for every one bad team/program that has good support, i could show you 10 that have terrible support.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 6/4/15 at 2:18 pm to lsufball19
With all due respect, nothing you quoted changes anything that was said in this thread. It isn't even an argument because you are not responding to what is being said.
That being said, we'll agree to disagree on this one. I can think of plenty of other occasions where I've agreed with your point of view.
That being said, we'll agree to disagree on this one. I can think of plenty of other occasions where I've agreed with your point of view.
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