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re: Addressing the "attacking style" Chavis defense claims - Gulf War Edition
Posted on 6/24/15 at 2:46 pm to rmnldr
Posted on 6/24/15 at 2:46 pm to rmnldr
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They say we should be waiting for a "melt" when we beat them.
It is less that and more that LSU fans are setting themselves up for an epic melt. We aren't.
A&M Fan After A&M Loses: "Oh well, this is just year one of Chavis and they have our number. Maybe next year."
LSU Fan After LSU Loses: "Why THE frick did that incompetent nimrod Joe let them buy a win over us?!?! Obviously they could never beat us without his help, so that fricking fricker can go frick himself with his dead grandmother's thigh bone!!!"
Yall expect us to lose more than we expect to win. That is like putting the golf ball on the tee. For the first time ever half the Rant will be rooting for us just to see the melt.
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 2:50 pm to DawgsLife
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I can understand this. But, I don't remember EVER hearing a LSU fan say anything bad about him when he was at LSU.
Then you weren't really paying attention, truthfully. Over the first few years of his defenses at LSU, we were ecstatic at the overall quality of his product. However, over his tenure, his deficiencies (although few) became glaring.
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I saw many times LSU fans defend him tot he death and call anyone that criticized him a moron, uninformed or worse.
Of course we defended him because he was our coach and his success meant LSU's success, but that doesn't mean we weren't aware of his limitations as a DC and recruiter. Over the past few years, we really saw those limitations snowball and the grumblings increased.
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Now every day a thread is started about how bad he was/is. Granted, some of this is probably because A&M fans are egging some of this on....but man....let him go.
Meh, just rubbing it in to A&M because they piled on the, "we stole your DC" bs when we wouldn't agree to his demands.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 2:51 pm to cardboardboxer
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Yall expect us to lose more than we expect to win.
What a little brother thing to say.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:02 pm to ibldprplgld
Your limitations as a football team over the passed several years were due to an anemic offensive system and coaching than it was to any part of your defense.
As an aside, I expect that we will have an improved defense this year. Chavis will put our defensive athletes in a position to win. We will not be as good a defense as he has had in the past because we don't have the athletes yet, but we will be better and that will add some wins.
I am supremely confident that we will beat LSU this year. I think Chavis is going to implement a game plan that will completely overwhelm your offense, which is your weak link and has been for quite some time now.
As an aside, I expect that we will have an improved defense this year. Chavis will put our defensive athletes in a position to win. We will not be as good a defense as he has had in the past because we don't have the athletes yet, but we will be better and that will add some wins.
I am supremely confident that we will beat LSU this year. I think Chavis is going to implement a game plan that will completely overwhelm your offense, which is your weak link and has been for quite some time now.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:08 pm to ibldprplgld
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Of course we defended him because he was our coach and his success meant LSU's success, but that doesn't mean we weren't aware of his limitations as a DC and recruiter. Over the past few years, we really saw those limitations snowball and the grumblings increased.
He had the #1 defense last year, what limitations?
Kevin Steele had worse 3rd down %'s, worse yards/play, yards/game, etc etc etc etc with a slightly bigger talent advantage relative to opponents.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:17 pm to MightyYat
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What a little brother thing to say.
It is honesty.
It will be our first year in the Chavis system. Year one at Tennessee he barely had a top 70 defense. It took two years for him to implement his scheme there. Seeing as how we lacked defensive excellence before he came it might be a two year project here too.
That is all logical. That is all reasonable.
LSU fans expect to win simply because yall have won recently, and because there is no possible way that your program could have downgraded at the defensive coordinator position, so by that logic yall should win next year.
It is a false extrapolation built on a delusion that has roots in a comforting lie. By correlation it might be correct, but unlike the Aggie perspective it assumes a man who has been twice fired as a defensive coordinator will find that the third time is a charm.
If yall would have replaced Chavis with Will the melt would be 10% of what it could be in a loss, if only because win or lose yall will feel certain yall upgraded.
Thanks to the Steele hire LSU fans have had to convince themselves they upgraded, which means if that isn't the case the double whammy of a loss (aka the fact that will prove LSU DIDN'T upgrade while A&M did at LSU's expense) sets up for an epic melt.
Call it what you will, but yall are making this bed.
I was here, I remember the time inbetween when Steele was hired and when Coach O was hired. The fans here went from pissed to "Well even though we downgraded the DC we upgraded at O's position."
Two months later that story changed to "we upgraded at the DC position, or if we didn't it doesn't matter because of talent."
Two months later it was "Chavis was the reason that we lost every major game we lost recently and just losing him was an upgrade." Who knows what another two months will bring?
Yall made the bed, and more than Aggies will hope you have to sleep in it. Because melting is fun.
This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:18 pm to AgsNguyening
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I am supremely confident that we will beat LSU this year. I think Chavis is going to implement a game plan that will completely overwhelm your offense, which is your weak link and has been for quite some time now.
I don't know what kind of scheme he could possibly put in to stop the bullying that will be going on in the trenches.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:25 pm to MightyYat
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I don't know what kind of scheme he could possibly put in to stop the bullying that will be going on in the trenches
Unless a DC is a complete idiot, and Chavis is not, at some point you are going to have to do something other than hand it off to your stud RB right up the middle. We will have outside contain locked up.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:29 pm to AgsNguyening
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Unless a DC is a complete idiot, and Chavis is not, at some point you are going to have to do something other than hand it off to your stud RB right up the middle. We will have outside contain locked up.
Well one of Chavis's weakest links during his tenure at LSU was runs up the middle. :/
Posted on 6/24/15 at 3:31 pm to AgsNguyening
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Unless a DC is a complete idiot, and Chavis is not, at some point you are going to have to do something other than hand it off to your stud RB right up the middle. We will have outside contain locked up.
Do you even Chavis bro???
Posted on 6/25/15 at 12:45 am to rmnldr
So now that this thread has reached 17 pages I feel like I can give my reasoning for starting it. I do in fact hate Chavis as a coach. My first reason is that his defenses choke way too much at the end of games for it to ot be an issue. The second reason is that he didn't even tell his players at LSU goodbye when they played their hearts out for him. A guy that preaches player relationships surely burnt a bridge with all of those guys. My third reason is that he had all year to recruit linebackers and I expected Dwaine Thomas, a guy from my alma mater who was at school when I was, to get an LSU offer. Chavis left LSU and immediately offered him a scholarship to A&M which irked me in a big fricking way. I still support Dwaine all the way as he took the best offer he had and I'm glad he did. I can't wait to see him wreck shite this year.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 5:13 am to cardboardboxer
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You'll never see A&M fans say we're going to dominate defensively or that LSU is going to completely fall off a cliff,
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I am supremely confident that we will beat LSU this year. I think Chavis is going to implement a game plan that will completely overwhelm your offense
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A&M Fan After A&M Loses: "Oh well, this is just year one of Chavis and they have our number. Maybe next year."quote:
it's realistic to expect improvement overallquote:
I am supremely confident that we will beat LSU this year.
quote:So confident aTm will win… LSU fans get shite on the most of any fans here regardless of who they lose to in any sport at any time and regardless of how they handle it, idiots like you, will say we're "melting." LSU fans are simply trying to warn aTm fans that their "home run hire" and lord and savior might not be all that he's cracked up to be.. LSU has upgraded in recruiting, that is a fact, and until they play we don't know if Steele is better for LSU than Chavis was.. it's not a matter of their resume at this point, it's a matter of their schemes and what is best with the players and talent.
Thanks to the Steele hire LSU fans have had to convince themselves they upgraded, which means if that isn't the case the double whammy of a loss (aka the fact that will prove LSU DIDN'T upgrade while A&M did at LSU's expense) sets up for an epic melt.
Keep throwing it out there that we had the number one defense in the country last year.. You must realize LSU only won 8 games last year with this amazing #1 defense, as you claim. Is that what you expect? You're happy with 8 wins?
LSU will just keep winning and y'all can stay content with mediocrity
Posted on 6/25/15 at 7:27 am to goldenbadger08
We won 8 games last year too, with the worst defense in the league.
We don't need your Novel.
We don't need your Novel.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 7:30 am to Nguyening
So the teams with the best defense and the worst defenses, respectively, both won 8 games? Chavis 
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 7:30 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:01 am to goldenbadger08
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So the teams with the best defense and the worst defenses, respectively, both won 8 games? Chavis
Wuuuutttt
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:04 am to cardboardboxer
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These are an average of Steele's career at Clemson, and Chavis at LSU (The talent is based from 247 and only defensive players.)
Average Talent Steele .8714 Chavis .9329
I think its crazy that (Steele) won 3/5 categories since Steele had significantly less talent and also played with an uptempo offense while Chavis had an offense that controlled the clock.
3rd Down %: Steele 39.487 Chavis 35.27
Sacks Steele 33.33 Chavis 28.3
Int Steele 16.7 Chavis 14.83
TFL Steele 94.4 Chavis 85
YPP Steele 4.98 Chavis 4.67
floridatiger420
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2011
WVU Vs. LSU
1st Downs 28
Total Yards 533
Yards Per Pass 7.1
Offensive Scoring: 21
WVU Vs. Clemson
1st Downs 31
Total Yards 595
Yards Per Pass 8.8
Points Off Turnovers: 28
Offensive Scoring: 42
Noted: Clemson had a very young defense in 2011 and that (2011 LSU defense) was the most talented defense to ever play college football.
floridatiger420
This post was edited on 6/25/15 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:47 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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I am supremely confident that we will beat LSU this year. I think Chavis is going to implement a game plan that will completely overwhelm your offense, which is your weak link and has been for quite some time now.
Jon Chavis can't beat Les Miles..........Miles knows all you have to do is run a shotgun qb sneak and Chavis knows he will be in an 8 man zone.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:30 am to AgsNguyening
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Your limitations as a football team over the passed several years were due to an anemic offensive system and coaching than it was to any part of your defense.
I never mentioned LSU's limitations...I mentioned Chavis' limitations as a DC. Keep up. It wasn't LSU's offense that squandered late leads by changing scheme inexplicably time and again.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:31 am to Nguyening
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He had the #1 defense last year, what limitations?
You need to pay more attention to what LSU and Tennessee fans are saying. I'm not going dig up quotes, you should be adept enough to find it on this board.
Posted on 6/25/15 at 11:14 am to AgsNguyening
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Unless a DC is a complete idiot, and Chavis is not, at some point you are going to have to do something other than hand it off to your stud RB right up the middle. We will have outside contain locked up.
Oh boy, I wish I could see your reactions when A&M meets Dak or Fournette.
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