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Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:36 pm to Old Sarge
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:36 pm to Old Sarge
In other words they think they will lose money on the ACC deal, I don't see how with basketball but most of that inventory is already on ESPN networks. I guess they don't want to compete with SEC network in similar areas. I would give the ACC Finebaum to help them out.
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Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:36 pm to genro
quote:so what did you mean by saying that there is one powerful school in particular that might not feel that way?
Yeah. Ok. No one said that.
quote:we are still pretty far away from that
It may go to twenty one day.
quote:yes it is. take texas for example. you already get to charge the in market price for the SECN throughout the entire state. adding another school from the state of texas does nothing to change that, because there is nothing to add to
Well that's simply not true.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:36 pm to BrerTiger
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Kentucky should be happy to have a couple more football schools to whip up on during basketball season.
Why? That's boring.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:37 pm to BrerTiger
I'm with you on the 9 conference games and not expanding, but if the ACC did come apart we would almost have to grab two teams from there. Anything outside of that would be a big time reach culturally and geographically. I wouldn't want to miss on the ACC schools then have to add two teams that don't fit just to keep up with the Joneses
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:39 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:I said some other schools could make an issue of it. One of which has a lot of leverage. I don't see how you don't follow.
so what did you mean by saying that there is one powerful school in particular that might not feel that way?
quote:The SEC licenses its merchandise. The SEC distributes its ticket revenue.
yes it is. take texas for example. you already get to charge the in market price for the SECN throughout the entire state. adding another school from the state of texas does nothing to change that, because there is nothing to add to
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:41 pm to genro
quote:and that one school doesnt have nearly enough leverage to overcome the others
One of which has a lot of leverage. I don't see how you don't follow.
quote:and thats peanuts compared to expanding your conference network footprint
The SEC licenses its merchandise. The SEC distributes its ticket revenue.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:42 pm to nicholastiger
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In other words they think they will lose money on the ACC deal, I don't see how with basketball but most of that inventory is already on ESPN networks.
I doubt they think they will lose money long term but the current heads cant risk it w/Disney demanding that ESPN cut costs. The LHN is such a massive money loser that it has surely made them gun shy.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they were looking for a way to first end LHN so they can simply slide the AACN into its place. The delay could actually be ESPN waiting for it to be financially acceptable to buy out of the contract w/Texas.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:42 pm to WestCoastAg
Auburn would have to give up their Big 6 spot if the Seminoles came in.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:43 pm to Ssubba
FSU fans are in too deep with their anti SEC bias. They would NEVER come to the SEC.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:43 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Good thing it's not alone and I never said it was, quite the opposite, despite your weird attempts to make it so.
and that one school doesnt have nearly enough leverage to overcome the others
quote:I haven't ran all the possible numbers to know if it's truly peanuts by comparison, but we'll agree it's not "absolutely nothing"
and thats peanuts compared to expanding your conference network footprint
And besides, who says you can't do both?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:44 pm to CockInYourEar
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Va Tech and then pick a school in NC.
lol I see what you guys are trying to do...
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:45 pm to genro
quote:why did you single out that one school then?
Good thing it's not alone and I never said it was, quite the opposite, despite your weird attempts to make it so.
quote:comparatively its nothing
but we'll agree it's not "absolutely nothing"
quote:because you dont expand your conference footprint by doubling down in your footprint? you get both by expanding your market. you dont get both by going into an already established market
And besides, who says you can't do both?
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:46 pm to TigerTalker16
Why do people keep insisting on Nc State and Va Tech? They will water down the SEC brand. Find a way to get UNC and Duke or UNC and UVA.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:47 pm to genro
The girls school, Ga Tech, Clemson & Louisville will NOT be admitted into the SEC....why? Because the voting block of UF, UGA, USC & UK wont allow it. They have unsigned pact to not let them in. The SEC knows it.
Why should we let them (girls school) in to become more powerful and recruit against us? HELL NO. Only Ga Tech out of those schools bring any academic prowness to the table. Bama, UT and AU would not want Ga Tech admitted either because of recruiting. Ga Tech was once a member and chose to leave...bye bye.
Right now we have the big advantage over the girls school with instate recruiting because the SEC is the king of the hill.
BTW, Va Tech does NOT provide academic prowness...they used to be called only VPI up til late sixties and the Tech name became slowly more fashionable...cause they were nothing but a trade school in my mind.
Duke is a plum because of academics...they can fight with Vandy over GPAs. UNC would be another plum for academics and along with Duke they bring top ten yearly rankings in roundball.
It is just hard to fathom 16 teams in the SEC...becomes harder to manage and why do we need them? Duke, UNC would not bring a lot of fans to A&M or Arkansas to watch their football team play. NC State is not considered an elite academic school and therefore no way. Wake Forest is Vandy 1.5 and a very small school.
We are fine as we are now.
Why should we let them (girls school) in to become more powerful and recruit against us? HELL NO. Only Ga Tech out of those schools bring any academic prowness to the table. Bama, UT and AU would not want Ga Tech admitted either because of recruiting. Ga Tech was once a member and chose to leave...bye bye.
Right now we have the big advantage over the girls school with instate recruiting because the SEC is the king of the hill.
BTW, Va Tech does NOT provide academic prowness...they used to be called only VPI up til late sixties and the Tech name became slowly more fashionable...cause they were nothing but a trade school in my mind.
Duke is a plum because of academics...they can fight with Vandy over GPAs. UNC would be another plum for academics and along with Duke they bring top ten yearly rankings in roundball.
It is just hard to fathom 16 teams in the SEC...becomes harder to manage and why do we need them? Duke, UNC would not bring a lot of fans to A&M or Arkansas to watch their football team play. NC State is not considered an elite academic school and therefore no way. Wake Forest is Vandy 1.5 and a very small school.
We are fine as we are now.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:48 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Because it was pertinent. These aren't just dumpy MS schools whining against mighty Texas.
why did you single out that one school then?
quote:So fricking what? Those aren't mutually exclusive. What if we have to accept a non-expanding-our-footprint school in order to get one in a package deal? What if the ACC completely crumbles, and we take a school simply to prevent another conference from expanding their footprint?
because you dont expand your conference footprint by doubling down in your footprint?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
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If you're trying to build a league of so called southern ivies. But that discounts school culture, and I think culture makes Duke a poor choice. Eighty-five percent of their students come from out of state and it doesn't feel particularly southern.
Duke does not have the alumni base to make it worth it. That is why private schools are not big players in realignment.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:51 pm to genro
quote:no its not
Because it was pertinent.
quote:dont see how that effects anything for us since we are already in those states. you take a school from NC and virginia and youre done. you have a 16 team conference and you have the entire south in your footprint
What if the ACC completely crumbles, and we take a school simply to prevent another conference from expanding their footprint?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:53 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:Well I just can't explain. 20 years from now things will look totally different. Just like they did 20 years ago. It's a paradigm you can't comprehend right now.
dont see how that effects anything for us since we are already in those states. you take a school from NC and virginia and youre done. you have a 16 team conference and you have the entire south in your footprint
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:57 pm to genro
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quote: t won't happen because Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky, and A&M won't allow it. FSU had their chance and declined Silly. If it made $$$ they would allow it in a heartbeat, and all would be forgiven for the chicken that crossed the road
But it won't make money...that's the point.
UNC and UVA are very obviously the two top choices. If you had to settle for the non flagship schools from those states then you probably do it.
Any school from a state the SEC already has a presence in is a non starter.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 3:57 pm to reel_gator8
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BTW, Va Tech does NOT provide academic prowness...they used to be called only VPI up til late sixties and the Tech name became slowly more fashionable...cause they were nothing but a trade school in my mind.
One of the best engineering colleges in the world. It would easily be in the top half of the SEC.
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