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Posted on 8/22/13 at 7:26 pm to Settingthestandard
Posted on 8/22/13 at 7:26 pm to Settingthestandard
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When it comes to QB’s I believe team accomplishments does make a difference imo, they are the leader of team, and employers would like to know there QB has lead a team to accomplish something in the past..
Like all of the NCs that Ole Miss won with Eli?
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Posted on 8/22/13 at 7:30 pm to mpweiss07
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Manziel is a head case and AJ has been hiding behind a bunch on NFL lineman.
Really? If your linemen aren't considered NFL talent than frick your shitty team.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 7:46 pm to Bamaboy02
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No National Championships, Not a heisman winner, Not even a SECCG winner...has he even won a BCS game?...I would agree with him being 1st team IF the SEC didn't have two other QB's who are just as good and have accomplished more (AJ, JM)...he's a good QB but what makes him 1st team over AJ or JM.
14 coaches voted, not allowed to vote for their own players.
Coaches see something in Murray that Rantards don't.
Call it more squandered talent by Richt if you want, but don't talk shite about Murray unless you intentionally want to make yourself look ignorant. He is a fantastic quarterback.
The fact SEC coaches voted him over Heisman AND 2x NC winner should tell you something.
I hate the ESPN headline.
"Manziel not on SEC 1st Team"
instead of
"Murray voted SEC 1st Team"
What kind of bullshite headline writing is that?
Instead of giving a kid credit where it's due, for the headline of the day, ESPN not only takes the headline away from Murray, but uses it as an excuse to bring down JFF.
That's the real travesty here.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 7:53 pm to deeprig9
EXACTLY. What is up with that headline?
Murray is a hell of a QB. It is a pre-season ranking/prediction. He could end up leading UGA to the SEC CG.
This was started by a 'Bama fan who is upset that AJ isn't getting more pre-season pub. Fair enough, he is a winner at the highest level.
I'm just glad I don't see too many Aggies being upset by this.
Murray is a hell of a QB. It is a pre-season ranking/prediction. He could end up leading UGA to the SEC CG.
This was started by a 'Bama fan who is upset that AJ isn't getting more pre-season pub. Fair enough, he is a winner at the highest level.
I'm just glad I don't see too many Aggies being upset by this.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 7:58 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
Better question: how is a flash in the pan JFF 2nd team over a 2 time National Champion ?
Posted on 8/22/13 at 8:08 pm to Bamaboy02
UGA needs to win something.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 8:16 pm to Klark Kent
Why the big deal over preseason 1st, 2ed, or 3rd team? When it's all said and done at seasons end, stats & records will speak for them self. Kinda like USC being ranked #1 and not finishing in top 25 last year. Who saw Johnny football on any of the list last year during the preseason?
Posted on 8/22/13 at 8:38 pm to DawgsLife
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Ummm...you might want to check their defensive rating against the PASS, genius. Nebraska was something like 4th in the country. Alabama 7th and Florida 17th, and SouCar 21st. Don't go by overall defense, and Murray stats were put up against superior competition.
LSU's by comparison was 28th, A&M 86th, and UGA 8th.
Sheds a slightly different light on the subject, no?
Yeah, that poster conveniently included Murray's performance against Alabama with South Carolina and Florida. Murray actually played well against Alabama.
Regarding Nebraska, how many good quarterbacks did the Big 10 have last year? I don't recall reading or hearing about anyone besides Taylor Martinez and Braxton Miller, and the latter only gained attention for helping lead his team to an undefeated record. Nebraska's defense wasn't good; see the Ohio State and Big 10 Championship; those 2 losses make your 14 point 4th quarter for a 14 point victory look pretty weak.
I will side with the fan who believes that Murray shouldn't be a part of this discussion. Alabama did not have the most consistent or best defense last season. Florida had the best defense and Murray did little against them. Jeff Driskel threw for more yards.
This post was edited on 8/22/13 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 8/22/13 at 8:43 pm to RGJ18
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Should be 1) Manziel 2) McCarron 3) Murray
obv
While Manziel looked good last season, there are 3 things you must remember.
1. Florida had no tape.
2. LSU kept him in check.
3. Alabama was mentally unprepared for the game and hadn't gotten over last week's ordeal.
Those are the only 3 notable defenses that Texas A&M faced. Oklahoma's secondary had good rankings, but the defense as a whole wasn't good.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 8:52 pm to h0bnail
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Like all of the NCs that Ole Miss won with Eli?
Cooper could get a starting NFL job right now if he wasn’t hurt just because he’s a Manning.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 10:23 pm to Bamaboy02
SEC opponents will pay the price for this snub.
Whether you like him or not, JFF does not f around once he gets on the field.
I expect he is chomping at the bit for a statement game.
Whether you like him or not, JFF does not f around once he gets on the field.
I expect he is chomping at the bit for a statement game.
Posted on 8/22/13 at 10:24 pm to Bamaboy02
What's with you and bitching about UGA QBs?
Posted on 8/22/13 at 10:49 pm to Jrv2damac
Manziel accounted for over 5000 yds offense last year and he's 2nd team?
bullshite!
bullshite!
Posted on 8/23/13 at 6:27 am to Bamaboy02
Hall of Fame is coming up short in your book? Oooook.
I guess Dan Marino came up short, too, then.
Along with:
Billy Kilmer
Norm Snead
Duante Culpepper
Ron Jaworski
Jeff Garcia
Bert Jones
Archie Manning
Craig Morton
John Brodie
Steve McNair
Boomer Esiason
Bobby Lane
Jim Kelly
Roman Gabriel
Donovan McNabb
Randall Cunningham
YA Tittle
Ken Anderson
Sonny Jurgensen
Waren Moon
Sammy Baugh
Dan Fouts
Yep. A bunch of slugs. None of them were any good.
I guess Dan Marino came up short, too, then.
Along with:
Billy Kilmer
Norm Snead
Duante Culpepper
Ron Jaworski
Jeff Garcia
Bert Jones
Archie Manning
Craig Morton
John Brodie
Steve McNair
Boomer Esiason
Bobby Lane
Jim Kelly
Roman Gabriel
Donovan McNabb
Randall Cunningham
YA Tittle
Ken Anderson
Sonny Jurgensen
Waren Moon
Sammy Baugh
Dan Fouts
Yep. A bunch of slugs. None of them were any good.
Posted on 8/23/13 at 6:29 am to Bamaboy02
No. We are talking Quarterbacks. I thought you understood that. 
Posted on 8/23/13 at 6:32 am to Bamaboy02
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I agree, BUT the reason why Cam Newton separated himself from those other QB’s was his accomplishments on the field
Yes. His STATISTICS, and not whether or not his team won the Natty. Auburn beating Oregon had nothing to do with it. It didn't hurt, to be sure. But had they lost, he still would have been the #1 pick.
Posted on 8/23/13 at 6:34 am to Bamaboy02
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No National Championships, Not a heisman winner, Not even a SECCG winner
None of these things have anything to do with the fact that Murray is a helluva QB.
AJ is a game manager behind a powerful OL and a beast run game.
JFF is a solid improvisor having a beast OL and personal scrambling ability but has a lot of unknowns with only one season to go by.
Neither of them can hoist a team on their shoulders and win it by themselves. Murray is a better leader and QB than both and the coaches also agree hence the first team votes. DWI bammer
Posted on 8/23/13 at 6:36 am to Libertyabides71
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nd the BS about McCarron playing with talent, are people trying to say UGA isn't as talented?
Are YOU saying that Georgia is just as talented as Alabama?
And, as I have said several times before in this thread...I was surprised by Murray being named, too. Probably everyone was.
But to say McCarron was better Int/TD ratio and stuff like that is disengenious. I mean, Murray was throwing the ball a LITTLE bit more than McCarron. More chances to get picked. AND, as you guys like to point out, McCarron came out of his games at halftime because you always had such big leads....
(Yes, I know that is a false statement, but it didn't keep some of your fans from making it)Posted on 8/23/13 at 6:38 am to LoneMDG
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Am I seeing people laud the Nebraska Defense, playing them right off of a 70-31 loss to Wisconsin, as well as a 63-38 loss to tOSU?
Those 2 didn't pass the ball on Nebraska, when all they had to do was Run the Ball to Win.
Reading is fundamental......and you, obviously cannot read. Nebraska had the #4 passing defense in the country. That is a fact, sir. And that is what we said. Look it up, then you can rejoin this conversation.
Posted on 8/23/13 at 6:42 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
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Murray is a hell of a QB. It is a pre-season ranking/prediction. He could end up leading UGA to the SEC CG.
Georgia fans are defending Murray. It is NOT meant to degrade or belittle Manziel OR McCarron. They are both excellent QBs that deservedly get credit for their teams success.
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