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re: 2004 AU VS 2003 LSU
Posted on 4/10/10 at 12:53 pm to Robot Santa
Posted on 4/10/10 at 12:53 pm to Robot Santa
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What screwed Auburn was their absolute joke of an OOC schedule.
The media wanted USC vs OU, past heisman vs future heisman. It would have required a lot of work, I agree had we not screwed the pooch in 03 we'd have played in that game but when the #1 and #2 teams stay undefeated and win all of their games fairly convincingly there is a good chance a team is going to be left out.
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Posted on 4/10/10 at 12:54 pm to RollTide1987
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2003 LSU because the offense was better and the defense was as well.
really?
03 lsu rushing= 27th...185 yds/gm
04 au rushing= 29th...184 yds/gm
03 passing= 43rd...232 yds/gm
04 passing= 40th...237 yds/gm
03 scoring O= 19th...33 pts/gm
04 scoring O= 19th...32 pts/gm
03 total O= 29th...418 yds/gm
04 total O= 25th...420 yds/gm
so overall the offenses were basically the same, with them tying in one category, au winning 2 and lsu winning 1. not sure how you cann say lsu's was better
03 rush d= 3rd
04 rush d= 12th
03 pass d= 18th
04 pass d= 10th
03 scoring d= 1st...11ppg
04 scoring d= 1st...11ppg
03 total d= 1st
04 total d= 5th
while LSU's D might have been a little better, it sure wasnt much better. both were outstanding teams. one went undefeated, one had a loss. ill take the team who didnt lose.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 12:54 pm to RollTide1987
The SEC has been the best confrence for the longest just media perception changed for the better after the 2006 UF beat down of OSU.
The SEC has consistently sent the most players to the NFL had the most committement to football and the best coaches. We just didn't have the media and voters on our side. The USC hype machine was at an all time high. That's the reason AU has no trophy.
USC is the only team to win a championship, in any sport, and not even participate in the designated championship game.
It didn't hurt that they lost 23-0 to USC the previous year. With Borges running that 03 team though they easily beat USC.
The SEC has consistently sent the most players to the NFL had the most committement to football and the best coaches. We just didn't have the media and voters on our side. The USC hype machine was at an all time high. That's the reason AU has no trophy.
USC is the only team to win a championship, in any sport, and not even participate in the designated championship game.
It didn't hurt that they lost 23-0 to USC the previous year. With Borges running that 03 team though they easily beat USC.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 12:58 pm to rangers911
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He had one of the best seasons of any QB in the SEC in a long time and arguably the best performance of any SEC QB this past decade
Ever heard of Tim Tebow? You know, one time he had like 50 total TDs in a season.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 12:59 pm to rebeltider
Tebow never went undefeated.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:01 pm to rangers911
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The media wanted USC vs OU, past heisman vs future heisman.
Why blame the media? How the hell were they supposed to know that an 8-5 Auburn team from '03 would go 13-0 in '04? That's why they ranked Auburn outside the Top 15 in 2004. USC came out of '03 12-1 and winners of the AP national championship. Oklahoma had gone 12-2 and had gone to the big dance in the Sugar Bowl. Both teams brought all of their talent back. Who would you have ranked #1 and #2 going into '04? They won all of their games and did everything that was asked of them. Why should one of them have been passed over?
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:03 pm to RollTide1987
Because the media controls who plays in the game doofus why don't you understand that.
Alabama went 7-6 in 07, but their 08 team was about 9 mins in the 4th qtr from playing for it all.
Alabama went 7-6 in 07, but their 08 team was about 9 mins in the 4th qtr from playing for it all.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:03 pm to auzach91
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so overall the offenses were basically the same, with them tying in one category, au winning 2 and lsu winning 1. not sure how you cann say lsu's was better
Looks to me like they both won 2 categories.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:05 pm to BhamDore
Oklahoma didn't even win their confrence CG in 03, but still got in the game its obvious the media favored them at the time. USC wasn't even in the CG, but still was awarded a title by the media.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:05 pm to BhamDore
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Alabama went 7-6 in 07, but their 08 team was about 9 mins in the 4th qtr from playing for it all.
The same thing would have happened to Alabama as had happened to Auburn had Alabama been ranked #3 behind USC and Oklahoma in '08. Your argument falls apart, however, because Alabama came into the SEC Championship game ranked #1.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:06 pm to rebeltider
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He had one of the best seasons of any QB in the SEC in a long time
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You know, one time he had like 50 total TDs in a season.
i dont think he is saying tebow isnt good or didnt have a good year. just that JC had an outstanding one as well. he didnt say he had THE BEST. he said he had ONE OF the best.
JC had a 172.9 QB rating
Tebow had a 172.5 QB rating
i think i have read where Jason's season was the second best QB rating in SEC history behind Danny Wuerfell
jaosn had a hell of a year in 04
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:07 pm to RollTide1987
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Looks to me like they both won 2 categories.
so how were they better?
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:08 pm to RollTide1987
So you are saying that you would rather Alabama lose and be given a tropy because the media favors them, than to beat everyone that was on your schedule and win the SECG? I don't believe you.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:08 pm to BhamDore
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Oklahoma didn't even win their confrence CG in 03, but still got in the game its obvious the media favored them at the time.
The media had nothing to do with getting them into the national championship game. After the Championship weekend in 2003 the AP Top 3 looked like this:
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Oklahoma
It was the computers and the formula used by the BCS that got OU into the Sugar Bowl. I seem to remember ESPN calling OU's invitation to the BCS title game a travesty. Hardly a media bias.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:10 pm to BhamDore
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So you are saying that you would rather Alabama lose and be given a tropy because the media favors them, than to beat everyone that was on your schedule and win the SECG? I don't believe you.
No. You obviously can't read. The media favored no one in '04. #1 and #2 remained in their position all season long and DIDN'T LOSE A GAME. Why the hell should the media move Oklahoma out of the way? Because of a soft schedule? Auburn's wasn't much better in '04. They played only four teams with winning records.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:11 pm to auzach91
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so how were they better?
They put points on the board when they needed to and got themselves into the championship game because of it. Defeating Virginia Tech 16-13 in the Sugar Bowl doesn't help your case for a split national championship. However a convincing 34-13 win over #5 Georgia in the SEC Championship goes a long way into getting yourself into the big dance.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:17 pm to RollTide1987
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However a convincing 34-13 win over #5 Georgia in the SEC Championship goes a long way into getting yourself into the big dance.
but a 24-0 beating of a #4 uga team means nothing? and a 38-28 whooping of the #7 team in tennessee didnt matter either. we got fricked and there is nothing that can be done. im over it and was over it a week after it happened.
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:18 pm to auzach91
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was over it a week after it happened.
I find that hard to believe. But if so, you're a better man than I
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:19 pm to RollTide1987
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The media favored no one in '04
herby on gameday: if auburn goes out and beats this georgia team they will have to be atleast the #2 team in the nation.
herbys vote on sunday: AU=3rd
guess the 24-6 arse whooping wasnt enough for him. you are an idiot if you dont think there was a bias.
This post was edited on 4/10/10 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/10/10 at 1:19 pm to auzach91
Undefeated SECC> 1 loss SECC. The MNCG doesn't mean as much because everyone is not given the same chance to get their. Everyone in the SEC is given the same chance to get to Atlanta regardless of where they start in some preseason poll.
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