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Rebuilding Defense
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:22 am
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:22 am
Current commits- LINK
Please fill in the blanks with the likely players from the existing roster... feel free to add more positions.. Existing Roster: LINK
I've included the Star ratings for the players, even the current players for their stars at the time they were recruited.
Also, the rankings are the national position ranking, either the 247sports rank or the 247 composite which is a blend of Rivals/Scout/ESPN... I used whichever ranking was higher because this is a feel good thread.
DT John Atkins (4 star 247 #1 in Nation) LINK
DT Roster: Mike Thornton (Rivals/Scout 4 star) LINK
NT/DT Roster- Jonathan Taylor (ESPN/Rival/Scout 4 star) LINK
NT/DT Chris Mayes (3 star 330#) LINK
DT DeAndre Johnson (3 star 6-3 310#) LINK
DT/DE Roster: Ray Drew Soph (Scout/Rivals/ESPN 5 star) LINK
DT/DE Roster: Garrison Smith Sr (Rivals/Scout 4 star)LINK
LB Shaun McGee (4 star 247 #12 in Nation, turned down Bama) LINK
LB Leonard Floyd (4 star 247 Comp #1 in nation) LINK
LB Tim Kimbrough (4 star 247 comp #6 in nation)LINK
LB Reginald Carter (247 #22 in nation, turned down FSU) LINK
LB Roster- Jordan Jenkins (Scout 5 star) LINK
LB Roster- Amarlo Herrera (Scout/Rivals/ESPN 4 star) LINK
LB Roster- Ramik Wilson Soph (ESPN/Rivals 4 star)LINK
S Roster- Josh Harvey-Clemons Fr (Scout/Rivals 5 Star) LINK
S Shaquille Fluker (4 star 247 #1 in Nation) LINK
S Tray Matthews (4 star 247 10th in nation- recruited hard by Bama and Trooper) LINK
S/CB/LB Roster- John Bailey RS Soph Transfer (6' 200# track star) LINK
S/CB Roster: Damien Swann So (Rivals/Scout 4 star) LINK
CB Shaq Wiggins (4 star/13th in nation- recruited by AUB, FLA, SC) LINK
CB Brendan Langley (4 stars, 13th in Nation, AUB,BAMA,FLA went after him hard) LINK
CB Reggie Wilkerson (4 stars, 247 comp #21 in nation) LINK
Please fill in the blanks with the likely players from the existing roster... feel free to add more positions.. Existing Roster: LINK
I've included the Star ratings for the players, even the current players for their stars at the time they were recruited.
Also, the rankings are the national position ranking, either the 247sports rank or the 247 composite which is a blend of Rivals/Scout/ESPN... I used whichever ranking was higher because this is a feel good thread.
DT John Atkins (4 star 247 #1 in Nation) LINK
DT Roster: Mike Thornton (Rivals/Scout 4 star) LINK
NT/DT Roster- Jonathan Taylor (ESPN/Rival/Scout 4 star) LINK
NT/DT Chris Mayes (3 star 330#) LINK
DT DeAndre Johnson (3 star 6-3 310#) LINK
DT/DE Roster: Ray Drew Soph (Scout/Rivals/ESPN 5 star) LINK
DT/DE Roster: Garrison Smith Sr (Rivals/Scout 4 star)LINK
LB Shaun McGee (4 star 247 #12 in Nation, turned down Bama) LINK
LB Leonard Floyd (4 star 247 Comp #1 in nation) LINK
LB Tim Kimbrough (4 star 247 comp #6 in nation)LINK
LB Reginald Carter (247 #22 in nation, turned down FSU) LINK
LB Roster- Jordan Jenkins (Scout 5 star) LINK
LB Roster- Amarlo Herrera (Scout/Rivals/ESPN 4 star) LINK
LB Roster- Ramik Wilson Soph (ESPN/Rivals 4 star)LINK
S Roster- Josh Harvey-Clemons Fr (Scout/Rivals 5 Star) LINK
S Shaquille Fluker (4 star 247 #1 in Nation) LINK
S Tray Matthews (4 star 247 10th in nation- recruited hard by Bama and Trooper) LINK
S/CB/LB Roster- John Bailey RS Soph Transfer (6' 200# track star) LINK
S/CB Roster: Damien Swann So (Rivals/Scout 4 star) LINK
CB Shaq Wiggins (4 star/13th in nation- recruited by AUB, FLA, SC) LINK
CB Brendan Langley (4 stars, 13th in Nation, AUB,BAMA,FLA went after him hard) LINK
CB Reggie Wilkerson (4 stars, 247 comp #21 in nation) LINK
This post was edited on 1/12/13 at 3:23 pm
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Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:29 am to deeprig9
CB - Swann
DE - Smith
LB - Hererra
NG - Geathers (If he stays)
Are all safe bets I think.
DE - Smith
LB - Hererra
NG - Geathers (If he stays)
Are all safe bets I think.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:35 am to CBizWRECKIN
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CB - Swann
DE - Smith
LB - Hererra
NG - Geathers (If he stays)
Are all safe bets I think.
For the purposes of this thread I'd like to keep it worse case scenario... if every player who could get drafted does...
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:37 am to CBizWRECKIN
Who cares who we put out there. We don't have a scheme set up to stop the run. We will be very talented on defense in 2013. I think experience is overated in the sec. If you know the playbook and are physically strong enough to endure the punishment of the SEC. Then you can still play at a high level even has a freshmen in this conference. We have the talent...we just dont have a DC that wants to teach fundamentals.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:40 am to CBizWRECKIN
Smith is eligible for the draft, why would he necessarily stay? Did he already say he would stay?
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:45 am to deeprig9
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Smith is eligible for the draft, why would he necessarily stay? Did he already say he would stay?
He said the other day he wasn't even gonna send in the paperwork for a NFL evaluation...
Posted on 12/16/12 at 10:48 am to dallasga6
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He said the other day he wasn't even gonna send in the paperwork for a NFL evaluation...
Yay
At 297, will he stay at DE or maybe move to DT?
And in 3-4, is there much of a difference anyway, are those positions interchangeable?
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:12 am to deeprig9
Lots of updates. We look screwed at NT if Geathers leaves. Only 1 guy over 300#'s and no depth behind him.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:12 am to deeprig9
That's great because smith is our best DE. I'm glad jenkins and geathers are leaving. Jenkins hurt his play by gaing to much weight.
They both dont get much penetration. I'm ready to see what chris mayes does, he is not to big yet. I think because of the lack of depth on the d-line. We didnt play at full force most of the time to keep from wearing down.
They both dont get much penetration. I'm ready to see what chris mayes does, he is not to big yet. I think because of the lack of depth on the d-line. We didnt play at full force most of the time to keep from wearing down.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:17 am to ugafan77
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That's great because smith is our best DE. I'm glad jenkins and geathers are leaving. Jenkins hurt his play by gaing to much weight.
They both dont get much penetration. I'm ready to see what chris mayes does, he is not to big yet. I think because of the lack of depth on the d-line. We didnt play at full force most of the time to keep from wearing down.
Thanks for actually contributing, I overlooked Mayes because of his 3 stars and at the bottom of the 247 page. He has been added.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:18 am to deeprig9
It's looking like we've got LB's and DB's coming out of our arse. Screw Reuben Foster and whatever non-300+ pounder is still on the fence.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:23 am to deeprig9
I think we will sign Reuben foster. But Reuben is not going to sign with us till signing day. He loves the attention of being wanted and keeping coaches guessing.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:25 am to ugafan77
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They both dont get much penetration
My understanding is that this is not the function of a NT in a 3-4 defense. Their job is primarily to clog up the middle... occasionally in obvious passing downs you see them trying to get more pressure but mostly just try and shed blocks and keep running lanes up the middle locked down.
I won't claim to be any expert on the 3-4 but that's what I've gleaned from watching/reading over the years as it has become the shiny new toy in the defensive world.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:26 am to ugafan77
More updates... we aren't totally fricked if Geathers goes, but back to a 3-4 with no 350+ anchor at Nose.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:27 am to fibonaccisquared
Well whatever they are doing its not working...unless its all about our lack of depth on the d-line. What you think bro??
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:27 am to fibonaccisquared
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My understanding is that this is not the function of a NT in a 3-4 defense. Their job is primarily to clog up the middle... occasionally in obvious passing downs you see them trying to get more pressure but mostly just try and shed blocks and keep running lanes up the middle locked down.
I won't claim to be any expert on the 3-4 but that's what I've gleaned from watching/reading over the years as it has become the shiny new toy in the defensive world.
That's my understanding as well, if your 350# NT takes two blocks, it's like having 12 men on the field.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:29 am to ugafan77
In the games I paid attention, Jenkins wasn't requiring two blocks most of the time. Why? I don't know, but he was pretty well handled most of the time. Geathers, on the other hand, the times I was paying attention specifically to the position, was requiring two blocks most of the time.
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:29 am to deeprig9
All I'm saying is jenkins was better in 2011 before adding more weight this year
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:37 am to ugafan77
Primary concerns on defense for me have been the style of tackling that we attempt. While I think the traditional "form tackle" is largely overrated, I do think we could stand to teach a bit more wrapping up/drag down rather than just going for big hits... Most of the yards that Alabama racked up (along with other schools) were yards after contact. That is an inexcusable stat for a defense with the level of talent that we supposedly had this year.
Making contact count and allowing your teammates to help finish off the tackle is critical. Also, we can't count on offensive holding penalties ever given our reputation for being a heavily penalized team. We have to find ways to shed blocks better and make the holds more obvious. I think that is one of the places where our D-line coaching has struggled over the years. We don't create enough movement on our d-line regularly to make holding obvious... if the jersey isn't getting pulled away from the body, you're not going to get the calls. This makes it a lot easier to run...
Making contact count and allowing your teammates to help finish off the tackle is critical. Also, we can't count on offensive holding penalties ever given our reputation for being a heavily penalized team. We have to find ways to shed blocks better and make the holds more obvious. I think that is one of the places where our D-line coaching has struggled over the years. We don't create enough movement on our d-line regularly to make holding obvious... if the jersey isn't getting pulled away from the body, you're not going to get the calls. This makes it a lot easier to run...
Posted on 12/16/12 at 11:39 am to deeprig9
Another important question-
Which of the recruits above are going to be here for Spring? I'd like to put asterisks by their names or otherwise designate them has having 6 months of big boy football practice before the season kicks off.
Which of the recruits above are going to be here for Spring? I'd like to put asterisks by their names or otherwise designate them has having 6 months of big boy football practice before the season kicks off.
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