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re: Can this hypothetical 2015 OL be serviceable?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:13 pm to Doresrules
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:13 pm to Doresrules
Yes I see read what I write and I am not trying to be a big naysayer but rather being honest on the brutal side. What I am pointing out are the results on the field. The biggest thing I noticed this year, and specifically in the Peach Bowl, was confusion on simple line calls, an inability to pick up stunts/delayed blitzes in passing situations and pulling Olinemen "missing" blocks (I use "missing" loosely since more often than not it was wholesale whiffing). I think we would all agree that these are simple oline fundamentals, that more often than not, should not be the norm in the 3rd year of implementing an offense.
Now generally the oline was serviceable in pass protections but was woefully inadequate in run blocking. For the offense to reach its full potential next year, especially while breaking in a new QB, this must be fixed.
Now generally the oline was serviceable in pass protections but was woefully inadequate in run blocking. For the offense to reach its full potential next year, especially while breaking in a new QB, this must be fixed.
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:14 pm to Wanderin Reb
Right now it is. We don't have a single NFL type running back. We have two NFL level OL and one of those guys is a true freshman. The other broke his leg. Next year the run game should be better.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:14 pm to Doresrules
Dak is 80% of the reason State had success running the ball this season. When teams stopped Dak, they stopped State's running game. He made that O-Line look better than they were.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:17 pm to Sports_Guy007
You bring up a valid point and why I specifically pointed out why a true dual threat QB would alleviate pressure in the rushing attack.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:19 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Exactly, which is why I hope that whoever is our quarterback next year can run effectively.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:35 pm to Billy Mays
Will Matt Luke be the coach? If so the offensive line will suck.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:52 pm to umrebel2009
Might I ask what you are basing this off of?
Please don't tell me the TCU game where our RT was playing LT, sixth OL at RT, and a true freshman at guard.
Please don't tell me the TCU game where our RT was playing LT, sixth OL at RT, and a true freshman at guard.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 12:56 pm to Billy Mays
We need to fire Luke ASAP and get someone that knows what the hell they are doing
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:05 pm to Billy Mays
No reason to assume Tunsil won't be 100%. He flopped according to engie.
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@RedCupRebellion: What the frick? RT @Eastontread: Elite Dawgs' take on the Laremy Tunsil injury. LINK m.twitter.com/RedCupRebellion
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:14 pm to Whereisomaha
You got to be kidding me!!!!
Hey Engie, are you really that blinded by homerism that you did not see Tunsil's foot pointed sideways? As someone who has suffered some pretty traumatic injuries in a previous career, you'd be surprised what you can do if you are young, in shape and conditioned to handle pain. I get the distinct impression that you wouldn't be able to understand that. Semper fricking Fi Mack!
Hey Engie, are you really that blinded by homerism that you did not see Tunsil's foot pointed sideways? As someone who has suffered some pretty traumatic injuries in a previous career, you'd be surprised what you can do if you are young, in shape and conditioned to handle pain. I get the distinct impression that you wouldn't be able to understand that. Semper fricking Fi Mack!
Posted on 1/2/15 at 1:42 pm to ABearsFanNMS
He knows he's only got one more month on the rant and preparing to be 100% elite dawg
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:13 pm to Billy Mays
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I concur, but other than Rod and Tunsil, our contributors aren't exactly blue chippers.
Nor were TCU's, there are several teams out there that are proving you don't need blue chip OL croots to put a decent line together. Instead here we are with the best on in CFB, and 4 others that could be coached up and we have an OL coach who's soul purpose is to clap on the sideline like a damn seal.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:15 pm to Doresrules
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Might I ask what you are basing this off of?
How about... every damn game
Ole Miss football isn't some damn charity for coaches who can't coach good and are friends of the program. Fire Luke, get someone who can coach, because there are plenty others out there who would be dying for that position and can with out a doubt do much better.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 2:57 pm to rebelcommodore
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Nor were TCU's, there are several teams out there that are proving you don't need blue chip OL croots to put a decent line together. Instead here we are with the best on in CFB, and 4 others that could be coached up and we have an OL coach who's soul purpose is to clap on the sideline like a damn seal.
The whole point is you have to do something well if nothing else. In my opinion, talent is the most important, followed closely by scheme, supporting cast, and coaching technique.
For example, State's OL had a good season bc they had Dak and Josh Robinson extending plays and drives, and wearing out a front 7. If you look at their star ratings coming out of high school, mostly 2 and 3 star guys.
We have no power backs and a below-average running threat at QB. Combined with a mediocre OL talent wise, we get bad results against good defenses.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 3:08 pm to rebelcommodore
Ole Miss was 68th in CFB coming into the year as far as OL starts. The only other SEC teams below us in starts were UGA, Arkansas, Bama and UT. Three of those teams have better talent than us on the OL. UT only had 6 starts going into the season which is why they sucked.
So we had less talent, less experience, and injuries. Tell me again how Luke is suppose to coach that up?
So we had less talent, less experience, and injuries. Tell me again how Luke is suppose to coach that up?
Posted on 1/2/15 at 5:00 pm to Doresrules
Well when Matt Luke got here our OL sucked... then a year later the OL sucked, then fast forward to wednesday and our OL still sucks.
We started the season trying to get Justin Bell to pull on running plays which had a failure rate of 100%. (this probably occurred last year too but i dont remember) it failed because he's fat, he's slow, and apparently no one has taught him that the purpose of him pulling is to block someone for the RB. Fast forward to wednesday and we're still pulling Justin Bell with a 100% failure rate and he's still running past defenders on his way to block no one.
the only one of oir offensive linemen that is good is the one who was already good out of highschool and needed no coaching. Now if we can sign an entire OL of Tunsils in this class then yes our OL can be serviceable next year despite Matt Luke.
We started the season trying to get Justin Bell to pull on running plays which had a failure rate of 100%. (this probably occurred last year too but i dont remember) it failed because he's fat, he's slow, and apparently no one has taught him that the purpose of him pulling is to block someone for the RB. Fast forward to wednesday and we're still pulling Justin Bell with a 100% failure rate and he's still running past defenders on his way to block no one.
the only one of oir offensive linemen that is good is the one who was already good out of highschool and needed no coaching. Now if we can sign an entire OL of Tunsils in this class then yes our OL can be serviceable next year despite Matt Luke.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:49 pm to Billy Mays
Luke ..... sigh
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:21 pm to umrebel2009
I get it. You guys need someone to blame. Justin Bell doesn't suck because he isn't being coached up. Justin Bell sucks because he is a CUSA backup OL starting on a SEC OL.
Fahn Cooper coming out of HS had offers from Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Kent St., Ohio, and Western Michigan.
Ben Still had offers from Memphis, Tulane, and Ole Miss.
Robert Conyers had more offers but probably gave us as much as anyone could expect from his RS Soph year. He projects as a career backup at the SEC level.
Aaron Morris has never been the same after his injury and Rod Taylor is a out of shape true freshman.
So we essentially are asking alot out of a bunch of scrubs. Wanting the coaching staff to mold them into something that they NEVER will be regardless of the coach. So continue to blame Luke when any sensible person can realize that OL was the most depleted position left by the Nutt staff. Unlike other positions where you can pretty much get four or five guys and be ok, OL takes years to build. Ask Dan Mullen.
Fahn Cooper coming out of HS had offers from Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Kent St., Ohio, and Western Michigan.
Ben Still had offers from Memphis, Tulane, and Ole Miss.
Robert Conyers had more offers but probably gave us as much as anyone could expect from his RS Soph year. He projects as a career backup at the SEC level.
Aaron Morris has never been the same after his injury and Rod Taylor is a out of shape true freshman.
So we essentially are asking alot out of a bunch of scrubs. Wanting the coaching staff to mold them into something that they NEVER will be regardless of the coach. So continue to blame Luke when any sensible person can realize that OL was the most depleted position left by the Nutt staff. Unlike other positions where you can pretty much get four or five guys and be ok, OL takes years to build. Ask Dan Mullen.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:52 pm to Doresrules
So answer this: what is the difference between the quality of player Ole Miss has as compared to MSU?
IMO, Ole Miss probably has better overall lineman than MSU...yet their oline coach is able to consistently "coach them up"....that there is my issue. A good oline coach can take marginal players and get them to perform as a solid unit. That is not what I am seeing thus far and needs to change.
IMO, Ole Miss probably has better overall lineman than MSU...yet their oline coach is able to consistently "coach them up"....that there is my issue. A good oline coach can take marginal players and get them to perform as a solid unit. That is not what I am seeing thus far and needs to change.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:09 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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IMO, Ole Miss probably has better overall lineman than MSU...yet their oline coach is able to consistently "coach them up"....that there is my issue. A good oline coach can take marginal players and get them to perform as a solid unit. That is not what I am seeing thus far and needs to change.
From the outside looking in that would appear to be the case. MSU has more starts on its OL than Ole Miss coming into the season. Those guys had played together much longer. Also so much of MSU success was based off of Dak. A dual threat QB changes how defenses attack the offense. While that OL wasn't extremely talented, it was full of juniors and seniors.
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