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Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:06 pm to Whereisomaha
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:06 pm to Whereisomaha
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Thats all recruiting pieces are, reading between the lines. You cant tell me that that piece did not shock you since you all believed State led. Do you think that is still the case? Now who is reaching.
I feel like the question was posed with state as the understood leader, as in who else is in contention. I'm not following recruiting very closely right now though and probably wouldn't derive a top team or two from the article, only that OM and Bama are up there in the mix.
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:12 pm to skirpnasty
then go back and read it, but take off the maroon glasses first. He mentions state in "also in contention" category. Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:15 pm to Whereisomaha
Yeah ok but the "those two right there would be hard to say no to" sounds to me like there is another contender above them.
There are a lot of things you can derive from these articles. I don't think a top 2 is a sure thing.
There are a lot of things you can derive from these articles. I don't think a top 2 is a sure thing.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:23 pm to skirpnasty
First off, why? Why does that sound like there is someone in front of them?
Secondly, who would it be? He says those two would we hard to say no to, then lists MSU, Tennessee, and Auburn who are also in contention. Take a step back man and try to look at this objectively. How do you read that article and not only do not come away with Bama & OM leading, and then how do you decifer State leads?
Secondly, who would it be? He says those two would we hard to say no to, then lists MSU, Tennessee, and Auburn who are also in contention. Take a step back man and try to look at this objectively. How do you read that article and not only do not come away with Bama & OM leading, and then how do you decifer State leads?
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:31 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
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White, as much as it pains me to say it, is going to LSU. I'm pretty sure someone created that kid in a 3D printer as the solution to all our problems but he grew self-aware and is now going to the Bayou.
Yeah it's going to happen. Just a suggestion but Ole Miss should go get Larry Porter from UNC. He was at one time LSU's best recruiter. He's an okay running backs coach, but he will break the drought of you guys not having a good stable of rb's. Also he was Memphis' head coach, and even though he failed I'm sure he has connections there on top of Louisiana ties.
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Anderson and Davis will be Bearsharks, count on that.
I agree with Davis. I just know Anderson is priority one for Raymond now with Monroe on board. If he does't commit to Ole Miss by January, I would start getting a little nervous. Then again I'm not sure how much longer LSU can hold on to Raymond before the NFL comes calling, or he gets a DC offer.
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I think Little is still a real possibility for us as Cam Robinson still has another year. Allen is LSU's if they want him badly enough. Jones, I have no clue but I can't imagine we're in it for him.
I agree. Grimes is a great coach, I have no doubt he could turn Willie Allen into a big time player. I was bummed how quiet his visit was, but we still seem to think we're the darkhorse for Little. But yeah it seems like Ole Miss has a good shot, or your boy Matt Luke better hope so for his job security
And Jones is a take for anyone. With USC a mess I think it's between Ole Miss and Bama right now. He's really good, but yeah you guys might not even have room
Posted on 10/20/15 at 12:40 pm to Whereisomaha
A leader other than the two asked about would have to be mentioned in the also considering list. Being a leader and being considered are mutually inclusive.
My point isn't that state is a leader, it's that I don't take a "top 2" from the article. However I do think State is leading, because I generally trust Paul Jones when it comes to MS kids. He doesn't tend to CB if he's even remotely unsure.
My point isn't that state is a leader, it's that I don't take a "top 2" from the article. However I do think State is leading, because I generally trust Paul Jones when it comes to MS kids. He doesn't tend to CB if he's even remotely unsure.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:18 pm to tigerbait2010
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Just a suggestion but Ole Miss should go get Larry Porter from UNC.
I like that idea. Too bad Hugh Freeze grabs all the notes in the suggestion box, douses them in gasoline and lights them on fire before reading any of them.
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But yeah it seems like Ole Miss has a good shot, or your boy Matt Luke better hope so for his job security
Even if Matt Luke lands Little, which I actually think another coach is Little's main recruiter, we should still fire him. The players that are good on the O line, where excellent players in high school, he has yet to use any coaching to actually turn the other linemen into serviceable players.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:32 pm to skirpnasty
He CB'd him in April. You think he was sure were Jeffery was going to sign back in April? You assume state leads because as state moderator predicted him to state 6 months ago, but when in an article a question is presented, " if signing day were today where would you go", "Bama and Ole Miss, those two would be hard to say no to". Also in consideration for Simmons is MSU, Auburn, and Tennessee.
I love how this conversation started with you saying that I am reaching
I love how this conversation started with you saying that I am reaching
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:36 pm to rebelcommodore
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he has yet to use any coaching to actually turn the other linemen into serviceable players.
Out of the players Luke recruited, only one, Daronte Bouldin has not been serviceable. Should he be able to make Bell, Morris, and Still not awful, I dont know. But keep in mind that it is not the players he evaluated and recruited that suck something awful. You cannot discount his recruiting or evaluating skills based off of what we have seen. I dont know what a good OL coach looks like so I have no idea who to compare him to.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 2:10 pm to Whereisomaha
CB's are stupid. Unless its Barton Simmons, they usually don't KNOW for a fact anything. Barton is pretty good at his CB's.
I mean I can go CB anyone to anywhere right now. Does that mean I know? No. No it doesn't.
I mean I can go CB anyone to anywhere right now. Does that mean I know? No. No it doesn't.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 2:59 pm to Whereisomaha
'12: Ben Still, Pierce Burton, Robert Conyers, Darone Baily.
'13: Tunsil, Golson, Daronte Bolden, Davion Johnson
'14: Taylor, Fahn Cooper, Jordan Sims, Tyler Putnam, Talbot Buys, Sean Rawlings.
'15: Javon Patterson, Givens, Micahel Howard, Jacob Feely
Say what? Darone Baily, Daronte Boldin, Davion Johnson, Tyler Putnam, Talbot Buys + the guys that left.
We obviously recruited too few the first two years as well.
'13: Tunsil, Golson, Daronte Bolden, Davion Johnson
'14: Taylor, Fahn Cooper, Jordan Sims, Tyler Putnam, Talbot Buys, Sean Rawlings.
'15: Javon Patterson, Givens, Micahel Howard, Jacob Feely
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Out of the players Luke recruited, only one, Daronte Bouldin has not been serviceable
Say what? Darone Baily, Daronte Boldin, Davion Johnson, Tyler Putnam, Talbot Buys + the guys that left.
We obviously recruited too few the first two years as well.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:09 pm to skirpnasty
"My point isn't that state is a leader..."
"However I do think State is leading..."
What??????
"However I do think State is leading..."
What??????
Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:37 pm to rebelrouser
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Say what? Darone Baily, Daronte Boldin, Davion Johnson, Tyler Putnam, Talbot Buys + the guys that left.
Buys is a walk on, Davion had to leave after his RS Freshmen year because of concussions. Baily and Putman both sustained ACL tears after we offered them. It is up to the head coach to drop the kids for whatever reasons. The fact Freeze did not drop them, but honored their scholarship is on the HC, it wasnt Luke's decision. And the whole argument of "we recruited too few".. you realize we cant just cherry pick who we want, right? You cannot say we should not have taken Baily and Putman and then say, we didnt take enough kids. We wanted Avery Gennessy, we wanted Denver Kirkland, we wanted a lot of kids we did not get. Taking a kid you do not believe will contribute will not help our problem. We do not have a shortage of linemen, just a shortage of skilled ones.
Edit: Please keep in mind I am a bit playing devil's advocate because I recognize what most people are doing. We have one glaring weakness, and it has been that way since this staff has arrived, the OL. It is our hopeful minds that wants us to believe that if we just fire one person and replace him then our problems will be solved. I just do not think that will be the case. Analyze what our problems are and see if you can identify why it is a problem.
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:43 pm to SwayzeCrazy
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CB's are stupid. Unless its Barton Simmons, they usually don't KNOW for a fact anything.
Eh, that's a stretch.
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I mean I can go CB anyone to anywhere right now. Does that mean I know? No. No it doesn't.
Just because your CB doesn't matter doesn't mean that all of them are bullshite
Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:50 pm to rebelrouser
The guys that should be playing now:
'12: Ben Still(look considerably worse when he is playing)
Pierce Burton (juco gone)
Robert Conyers (good but hurt now)
Darone Bailey. (not sure why we ever signed him, way gone
'13: Tunsil (hasn't played yet this year)
Golson (transferred)
Daronte Bolden (not contributing)
Davion Johnson (gone, wasn't going to contribute)
I'll add Christian Morris who is contributing
When you look at those two classes that should be leading the OL right now it's pretty clear we shouldn't be any good on the OL. Whether that's due to bad luck, bad coaching, or bad evaluations I don't know but I'm leaning towards all 3
It really hurts that we didn't take a Juco OL last year. He would have played for us this year, but it would have been nice to have Rankin RS and be ready to go next year
'12: Ben Still(look considerably worse when he is playing)
Pierce Burton (juco gone)
Robert Conyers (good but hurt now)
Darone Bailey. (not sure why we ever signed him, way gone
'13: Tunsil (hasn't played yet this year)
Golson (transferred)
Daronte Bolden (not contributing)
Davion Johnson (gone, wasn't going to contribute)
I'll add Christian Morris who is contributing
When you look at those two classes that should be leading the OL right now it's pretty clear we shouldn't be any good on the OL. Whether that's due to bad luck, bad coaching, or bad evaluations I don't know but I'm leaning towards all 3
It really hurts that we didn't take a Juco OL last year. He would have played for us this year, but it would have been nice to have Rankin RS and be ready to go next year
Posted on 10/20/15 at 3:51 pm to POCKET
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 4:02 pm to POCKET
5000!!!
Posted on 10/20/15 at 4:34 pm to POCKET
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'13: Tunsil (hasn't played yet this year)
Golson (transferred)
Daronte Bolden (not contributing)
Davion Johnson (gone, wasn't going to contribute)
Whether that's due to bad luck, bad coaching, or bad evaluations I don't know but I'm leaning towards all 3
You can't just take four on the oline and expect great results. Some will transfer and not pan out. That's just oline reality.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 5:46 pm to rebelrouser
How many OL we take is a Freeze topic, not a Luke one
Posted on 10/20/15 at 6:07 pm to Whereisomaha
OT is going to be brutal next year.
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