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re: Why should I be a liberal /Democrat?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:12 pm to CowTownReb
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:12 pm to CowTownReb
quote:I don't disagree. A broken watch is right twice a day though. On rare (and rarer) occasions Republican actually vote for something resembling the ideals that I align myself with.
Riiiiiight.
Out of your lives (except for your bedrooms, your phone calls, the land and homes you own, the right to fleece your earnings and give it to some guy in the Middle-East, tons of subsidies and bailouts of companies that the market dictates should fold, collusion with contractors to spend your money and turn a profit through arms dealing -- yet you reap none of the financial benefits).
Yep. "Small government" through and through.
Republicans are no different than Democrats. They waste billions of dollars, but just in areas that Republicans approve of. Different masters, but the results are the same -- your money spent on things you don't support, lining the pockets of people that offer you nothing in return.
That's the epitome of both parties. "Mature adults," my arse. They're frauds. All of them.
You've fallen to the easiest of politicians' ploys. They've actually convinced you that one side is good and one side is bad, meanwhile they both collude together to rob you of your hard-earned money. The dregs swallow that crap up hook, line and sinker. Meanwhile, people in places like Mississippi bellow about "big government," but are first in line to fight for farm bills and the like that subsidize their production. Paid for by wealthier states through federal intervention, revenue garnered by taxing people in some other state. It's a socialistic construct that people have no problem with when they're on the receiving end. Just ask Mitch McConnell and how he was happy to accept $2 billion in subsidies, and behold -- he was willing to raise the debt-ceiling. Mortgaging the future of generations to come, all under the auspices of being on the dole.
I consider Republicans to be even bigger frauds, because they crow about smaller government, and none of their policies reflect it. At least with Democrats they're up front about their wasteful policies.
Even though we all disagree about how to fix our countries problems we ALL agree something needs to change.
I say less government, that government remains fiscally responsible, and stays completely clear of social issues.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:17 pm to Duke
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and belief there is a need for a strong federal government to ensure the rights of all are taken care of and the power of the exonomy of scale of our shared resources.
Actually, Democrats believe that governments are all powerful and that rights are given to the people by government. Republicans (real ones) believe people are born with rights and that government is given powers by the people.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 1:45 am to UKWildcats
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I don't disagree. A broken watch is right twice a day though. On rare (and rarer) occasions Republican actually vote for something resembling the ideals that I align myself with.
Even though we all disagree about how to fix our countries problems we ALL agree something needs to change.
I say less government, that government remains fiscally responsible, and stays completely clear of social issues.
Then you, good sir, are not a Republican. You're most likely a Libertarian, which is what all the old-guard Republicans were at heart. Goldwater being at the forefront of that ideology.
The basic premise of it is to leave people alone. Get the government out of people's lives and out of their wallets -- things that are important to you, as you've previously admitted.
The freedom for individuals to make their own choices, so long as those choices don't negatively impact someone else. Basically, someone can't "poison the well" that everyone draws from, just because it suits them. But the pursuit of happiness is something specified in our own Declaration of Independence. It's an inalienable right.
And Republicans and Democrats both hate it with a passion.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 3:37 am to CowTownReb
Yeah, more or less. Pot should be legal, I may not necessarily always agree with it but I don't have a problem with abortions, I don't agree with gay marriage but I'm also not going to go out and protest it either. Let people be. People should be self sufficient it is not the government's job to prop them up, nor dictate how they live their lives beyond common sense legislation ie traffic procedures.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 3:38 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:02 am to samson'sseed
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Just remember this: Republicans are not on your side, unless you have well over a million dollars.
One of the more naive comments I've read here.
If you have earned any money or assets AT ALL for yourself and family and have an interest in keeping those, then you'll vote conservative.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:07 am to UKWildcats
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It's been my experience that life only helps those who help themselves.
It's my experience that sometimes a little help can help someone move the needle. I myself am an example of this. I grew up poor and in a broken home.
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I certainly wasn't handed my lot in life. I worked my arse off to get here. I expect others to do the same.
I didn't claim otherwise. This is irrelevant to my post.
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There are always jobs to be had, even for those with no marketable skills.
Many still do not pay enough to pull someone out of poverty. Again, if my tax dollars can allow a child to have a warm meal, I'm fine with that.
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So you're OK with Shakita, Juanita, and Bessie Sue having 5 kids and claiming them on their taxes for tax credit, remaining unemployed and sitting at home chatting away on their government funded cell phones
Of course not. But I'm not so jaded to think this is the situation in a lot of cases. I find it ridiculous that this is your prime example instead of the exception. Again, I grew up poor and had poor friends. Some had piece of shite parents of course, but many were just stuck in a rut and doing the best they could with the hand they were dealt. My childhood best friend, Demetrius, mom worked multiple jobs. He didn't know his father and his mom was a HS drop out. She eventually went to beauty school and was able to earn a decent living. I could name plenty other examples as well, and this was my reality growing up in Antioch TN.
I was lucky to have a step mother later in life who was fairly educated, and she taught me a lot. I was able to break away and start a new trend for my family.
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Why can't they work for what they need exactly? How does being born poor prevent them from applying for a job or two?
Again, your line of thinking does not fall into reality in many cases.
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Teach a man to fish instead of handing him your fish.
Well why don't you go teach a man to fish then, as opposed to propagating hatred towards minorities? Do you work with any local non profits?
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 9:17 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:08 am to Pavoloco83
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If you have earned any money or assets AT ALL for yourself and family and have an interest in keeping those, then you'll vote conservative.
you've been fooled
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:15 am to ChEgrad
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Actually, Democrats believe that governments are all powerful and that rights are given to the people by government.
this is not only ignorant, but patently false
but please, elaborate.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:18 am to Pavoloco83
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If you have earned any money or assets AT ALL for yourself and family and have an interest in keeping those, then you'll vote conservative.
Well, this about sums up conservatism today. "Mine,mine,mine, me, me, me."
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:50 am to cas4t
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Many still do not pay enough to pull someone out of poverty. Again, if my tax dollars can allow a child to have a warm meal, I'm fine with that.
Not many people will disagree with that. However, current welfare is a poverty trap for many people. It's a busted system and it empowers politicians, not people.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:56 am to cas4t
quote:I didnt grow up poor, but I still had chores, summer jobs and worked for a real paycheck beginning at age 14. What prevented you from doing that?
It's my experience that sometimes a little help can help someone move the needle. I myself am an example of this. I grew up poor and in a broken home.
quote:No, its actually the entire crux of the argument. I paid for my school out of pocket. My dad joined the military in order to have his paid for. My mom worked three menial jobs while going to school in her thirties and taking care of me and my sister. Again, what prevented your family from getting those jobs, joining military, etc?
I didn't claim otherwise. This is irrelevant to my post.
quote:Boo fricking hoo. Then you get off your arse and get a second or third job until you make ends meet instead of bemoaning the fact you have done absolutely dick to give yourself any marketable skills or training. Rich, poor, black, white...No one is born with those skills they actually ha e to get off their arse and learn them through sweat equity.
Many still do not pay enough to pull someone out of poverty. Again, if my tax dollars can allow a child to have a warm meal, I'm fine with that.
quote:Neither do I. It's hyperbole designed to get a rise out of you, much as my initial posts that spurred this whole argument were. frick those lazy people I used in my example, and frick the white collar guys who would rather take unemployment rather than go flip burgers until they can find something more commensurate with their experience because they think burgers are beneath them.
Of course not. But I'm not so jaded to think this is the situation in a lot of cases. I find it ridiculous that this is your prime example instead of the exception.
quote:Well I already do. I hired a single black mother three weeks ago who needed a second job. I've also hired a guy who had a computer programming degree but became homeless due to layoffs and needed to get on his feet. I also have a lesbian who is enlisted in the national guard while going to UK and working full time for me as well.
Well why don't you go teach a man to fish then, as opposed to propagating hatred towards minorities? Do you work with any local non profits?
So again...why can't these able bodied people go out and get jobs to make ends meet instead of relying on the government? It wasn't that long ago that people in this country had enough self respect and pride to feel shame at having to do it. Now we're supposed to feel guilty for looking down on it? I don't think so.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:11 am to UKWildcats
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I didnt grow up poor, but I still had chores, summer jobs and worked for a real paycheck beginning at age 14. What prevented you from doing that?
I had all of those things too. You're going down a rabbit hole now, that has nothing to do with the overall point. You're now assuming minorities don't have chores?
Either way, this has nothing to do with the point at hand. quote:
No, its actually the entire crux of the argument. I paid for my school out of pocket. My dad joined the military in order to have his paid for. My mom worked three menial jobs while going to school in her thirties and taking care of me and my sister. Again, what prevented your family from getting those jobs, joining military, etc?
My family did many of those things. My mother was an addict, though. If it weren't for family assistance when I was a child, my dad would have had a hard time feeding myself and my older brother. My older brother also died at the age of 18, and my dad went into deep depression, so I did a lot of "raising myself". Again, this is just another example where you are making assumptions that are not based in reality for a lot of people.
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Boo fricking hoo. Then you get off your arse and get a second or third job until you make ends meet instead of bemoaning the fact you have done absolutely dick to give yourself any marketable skills or training.
Again, not based in reality for a lot of people. Working 3 jobs typically means none of them pay very well. A little assistance can go a long way for someone who is working multiple jobs, especially in a single parent home.
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hyperbole
it was racism, no matter how you try to mask it. You're racist.
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I hired a single black mother three weeks ago who needed a second job
I feel sorry for her that she is forced to work for a bigot.
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So again...why can't these able bodied people go out and get jobs to make ends meet instead of relying on the government?
I've addressed this multiple times at this point. You are clearly far removed from the reality of growing up poor.
I also don't think the military is for everyone, and joining the military for financial reasons is a terrible decision.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Not many people will disagree with that. However, current welfare is a poverty trap for many people. It's a busted system and it empowers politicians, not people.
The poster I am responding to vehemently disagrees with it. He is certainly not the exception, at least in my experience.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:18 am to cas4t
Your answer for all this is "working a job os simply not reality for a lot of people." That's a load of horseshite. You want to give a real answer or just continue down your rabbit hole of shite.
The bottom line is you grew up poor so you're used to seeing people use these things because you and your friends were benefitting from them and didn't know any better. The fact that your mom was an addict, which is why your family needed others to chip in on your bills and such, only further proves my point about these enablement programs.
The bottom line is you grew up poor so you're used to seeing people use these things because you and your friends were benefitting from them and didn't know any better. The fact that your mom was an addict, which is why your family needed others to chip in on your bills and such, only further proves my point about these enablement programs.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:19 am to UKWildcats
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why can't these able bodied people go out and get jobs to make ends meet instead of relying on the government?
You do realize the vast majority of able bodied people on government assistance do work, right? The last figure I saw was around 85%. Even when you add the disabled, children, and elderly it's still a majority that do work. This trope conservatives have created of people just sitting at home milking the welfare system isn't all that accurate. There are some that do that, but they are the exception.
And that's not to say the welfare system isn't in need of major overhaul, because it is. It does create a system of dependency, and we need to look at ways to correct that. Kicking people off the system like conservatives propose isn't going to fix it, nor is doing nothing or expanding it like liberals propose.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:20 am to cas4t
quote:No I dont. I 100% agree with that. But poor people keep voting these Democrats into office because they use it as a carrot at the end of the stick for their own personal gain.
The poster I am responding to vehemently disagrees with it. He is certainly not the exception, at least in my experience.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:23 am to UKWildcats
Alright, I'm out. Try not to let your bleeding hearts get all over the place in here. Pussies.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:27 am to UKWildcats
You're being dense. I stated earlier that I actually know numerous people who utilized assistance that in fact did have jobs. The point is that if you have to work 3 jobs, the odds are that not 1 of those jobs pays very well. Hence needing the other 2. You also likely do not have full time hours at any of the 3, and therefore have no health insurance either.
I've given you specific examples that I personally have growing up from friends and my own family. You're the one basing your opinions on something you clearly don't have any real world knowledge.
My family only utilized assistance programs for a short time period, after my brother passed away and my mother was gone. I actually have experience on both sides of the table. You're the one sided bigot who can't seem to just admit that you don't know what you don't know. Just face it, you're ignorant to these things. And that's a good thing!
Ah yes, because it was MY fault, a small child, that my mother was an addict. What a reasonable line of thinking. All children of addicts should work summer jobs to put food on their own plates.
I can't say I'm surprised, as you've proven time and time again that you're not only a bigot, but also incapable of even considering the fact that you may not know what you're talking about.
also, enablement is not a word. I think in your furious typing, you created a fake work, and what you meant to say is "entitlement" which is actually not the same as assistance programs.
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You want to give a real answer or just continue down your rabbit hole of shite.
I've given you specific examples that I personally have growing up from friends and my own family. You're the one basing your opinions on something you clearly don't have any real world knowledge.
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The bottom line is you grew up poor so you're used to seeing people use these things because you and your friends were benefitting from them and didn't know any better.
My family only utilized assistance programs for a short time period, after my brother passed away and my mother was gone. I actually have experience on both sides of the table. You're the one sided bigot who can't seem to just admit that you don't know what you don't know. Just face it, you're ignorant to these things. And that's a good thing!
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The fact that your mom was an addict, which is why your family needed others to chip in on your bills and such, only further proves my point about these enablement programs
Ah yes, because it was MY fault, a small child, that my mother was an addict. What a reasonable line of thinking. All children of addicts should work summer jobs to put food on their own plates.
I can't say I'm surprised, as you've proven time and time again that you're not only a bigot, but also incapable of even considering the fact that you may not know what you're talking about.
also, enablement is not a word. I think in your furious typing, you created a fake work, and what you meant to say is "entitlement" which is actually not the same as assistance programs.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:30 am to UKWildcats
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Alright, I'm out. Try not to let your bleeding hearts get all over the place in here. Pussies.
Aw, leaving so soon? You had no issue typing your little racist fingers off at 3 AM this morning.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 10:37 am to The Spleen
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And that's not to say the welfare system isn't in need of major overhaul, because it is. It does create a system of dependency, and we need to look at ways to correct that
undoubtedly. Bu this dude is even referring to food stamps, it seems.
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