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re: Why should I be a liberal /Democrat?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:18 pm to cas4t
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:18 pm to cas4t
quote:I work at a convenience store where I pump gas and sell cigarettes to minors in between stints in county lockup. On the weekends I prefer to make bathtub gin and abuse women while firing my shotgun from my truck bed at empty soda cans.
So you don't want to say what you do for a living? I'm genuinely curious.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:24 pm to UKWildcats
I wouldn't be surprised, given Lexington is a prescription pill ridden dump of a town.
But seriously, what is so bad about giving me at least your industry? I am genuinely curious how much of your hard earned tax dollars go to Shakita and Jose in comparison to me, a registered Democrat.
But seriously, what is so bad about giving me at least your industry? I am genuinely curious how much of your hard earned tax dollars go to Shakita and Jose in comparison to me, a registered Democrat.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:31 pm to cas4t
A. I have zero vested interest in getting into an Internet penis measuring contest. I owe you zero explanation, and frankly do not give a flip if you do make more than me. If you do, first of all kudos, you've done something right with your life. I am 32, own my own house (3,000 Sq ft) and three vehicles all paid for. I am most certainly middle class. I pay my fair share of taxes. If you're in the upper 5% of this country and are footing the bill for most everything (and are OK with it), then that is certainly your prerogative and I think you're nuts for doing so willingly.
There is an enormous difference between helping out your fellow man who genuinely can't help himself v being legally compelled by forced government legislation and watching that money that could be yours get misused by the "beneficiaries" and the government at large.
There is an enormous difference between helping out your fellow man who genuinely can't help himself v being legally compelled by forced government legislation and watching that money that could be yours get misused by the "beneficiaries" and the government at large.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:45 pm to UKWildcats
Something I've never understood is how liberals trumpet evolution and survival of the fittest yet balk the moment it's rules are applied to society at large.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:50 pm to UKWildcats
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I have zero vested interest in getting into an Internet penis measuring contest.
You're the one who brought up your kids (who I feel sorry for btw, assuming you have or plan to have children) paying for my food stamps. Your broad assumptions regarding people, race and political leanings, in my experience, is indicative of your level of intelligence.
Do yourself a favor, and get out more often. There's more to the world than UK basketball and the occasional trip to Keeneland when you get that end of year Christmas bonus. Maybe you'll learn something. You're still young-ish.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:52 pm to UKWildcats
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Something I've never understood is how liberals trumpet evolution and survival of the fittest yet balk the moment it's rules are applied to society at large.
Please provide an example of me doing this. I assume this was directed at me. Try to keep in mind I don't believe politics are as black and white as you.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:03 pm to cas4t
quote:I didn't. Try again.
You're the one who brought up your kids
quote:Your counterpoint is making an assumption about my intelligence simply because I make broad statements and assumptions.
Your broad assumptions regarding people, race and political leanings, in my experience, is indicative of your level of intelligence.
I hope the irony didn't go over your head. Just because I make a crass statement where you wouldn't has zero bearing on my intelligence level. It's an internet message board where we all blow steam and screw around. I don't particularly care for the pomp and circumstance of some gentleman's debate. If we were out for drinks and wanted to engage in a debate I would compose myself accordingly. As it is, this is the internet.
quote:Another broad statement and assumption in a response post lambasting me for doing the same!
Do yourself a favor, and get out more often. There's more to the world than UK basketball and the occasional trip to Keeneland when you get that end of year Christmas bonus. Maybe you'll learn something. You're still young-ish.
Classic liberalism. Do as we say not as we do. Well this has certainly been entertaining, if nothing else.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:09 pm to UKWildcats
Care to address the items in your rant that you passed off as facts that have been debunked?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:11 pm to cas4t
quote:It wasn't directed at anyone. T was an open ended statement looking for a legitimate response. Now there you go again assuming you know anything about my beliefs or mindset because of a few errant message board posts.
Please provide an example of me doing this. I assume this was directed at me. Try to keep in mind I don't believe politics are as black and white as you.
Now then...You don't see the irony/paradox/conundrum in the fact that (using stereotypes....Please try not to start a hunger strike on me over it) the theory of evolution (Yes I accept it as a fact, it seems patently obvious in 2016) is trumpeted by liberals who tout knowledge above all else. Yet they are the same who want to implement government practices I order to prop up the weakest of our kind. Conversely conservatives are typically the religious zealots who think the Earth is 6,000 years old and that evolution is heresy, yet claim to follow Jesus who would certainly advocate helping those folks.
Just pointing out the irony.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:13 pm to The Spleen
quote:I have already sent a scathing response email to my racist uncle that his chain email was anything other than completely intellectually honest.
Care to address the items in your rant that you passed off as facts that have been debunked?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:21 pm to UKWildcats
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I didn't. Try again.
Yes, you did. I said "don't procreate" and you said "who will pay for your food stamps?".
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Your counterpoint is making an assumption about my intelligence simply because I make broad statements and assumptions. I hope the irony didn't go over your head.
I said "in my experience". I left it open for you to counter if you felt so compelled.
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Just because I make a crass statement where you wouldn't has zero bearing on my intelligence level
Numerous crass statements combined with your political views, for clarification. Your post comparing liberals and conservatives was filled with false information, that you obviously did not fact check.
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It's an internet message board where we all blow steam and screw around
There is no room for racism on this board. There are people from all walks of life that visit and post this site daily.
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As it is, this is the internet
Ah, the old "it's the internet so I can be racist scum" argument. I knew it was coming, eventually.
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Another broad statement and assumption in a response post lambasting me for doing the same!
Nah, it's called rhetoric.
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Classic liberalism.
You clearly don't actually have a solid grasp on early liberalism.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:33 pm to UKWildcats
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It wasn't directed at anyone. T was an open ended statement looking for a legitimate response. Now there you go again assuming you know anything about my beliefs or mindset because of a few errant message board posts.
Don't try to pass of your blatant bigotry as errant message board posts. It's disingenuous.
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is trumpeted by liberals who tout knowledge above all else. Yet they are the same who want to implement government practices I order to prop up the weakest of our kind
I'd argue that man is intellectually superior to any other creature on the planet, and have evolved to a level in which we are capable of feeling compassion. Another concept that the we've evolved into accepting is monogamy. It isn't natural, and it hasn't always been viewed in the same manner as it is today. Yet through evolution, again, we became more compassionate and emotional.
I, as a generally liberal minded person, would prefer to help prop up someone who is facing difficult times as opposed to step over or on them.
I also do well enough for myself, and am smart enough with my money, that if a percent or 2 increase in my taxes means a homeless man suffering from bi polar disorder, PTSD, etc can get a warm meal and a bed to sleep on, then I'll be fine. Or if Shakita's kids are able to eat something decent, that's great too. You see, Shakita's kid didn't do anything except be born into a shitty situation. One that I was lucky to not be born into.
I may care about earning a good living, but I also understand that one day I'll be dead, and what I contributed to society is far more important than how much I passed on to my probably already spoiled children.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:39 pm to cas4t
quote:That wasn't what I intended to imply but I see how you read it that way and will give you that one. I suppose it doesn't matter as my poi t would have been the same regardless.
Yes, you did. I said "don't procreate" and you said "who will pay for your food stamps?".
quote:No, you left that open ended caveat in there in a weak attempt to try and absolve yourself from doing the same thing I'm doing in a thinly veiled attempt to act as if you've taken the high road.
I said "in my experience". I left it open for you to counter if you felt so compelled.
quote:A quick visit to the football board will disprove that. Moving on.
There is no room for racism on this board. There are people from all walks of life that visit and post this site daily.
quote:Ah yes, the tried and true "I don't have an actual counterpoint so I'll devolve into bandying about with semantics." I knew it was coming eventually. Please let me know what spelling errors you come across as well while you're playing that game.
The last three quoted posts
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:44 pm to cas4t
quote:I will give this post an actual response in a bit. I legitimately have to leave work now
I'd argue that man is intellectually superior to any other creature on the planet, and have evolved to a level in which we are capable of feeling compassion. Another concept that the we've evolved into accepting is monogamy. It isn't natural, and it hasn't always been viewed in the same manner as it is today. Yet through evolution, again, we became more compassionate and emotional.
I, as a generally liberal minded person, would prefer to help prop up someone who is facing difficult times as opposed to step over or on them.
I also do well enough for myself, and am smart enough with my money, that if a percent or 2 increase in my taxes means a homeless man suffering from bi polar disorder, PTSD, etc can get a warm meal and a bed to sleep on, then I'll be fine. Or if Shakita's kids are able to eat something decent, that's great too. You see, Shakita's kid didn't do anything except be born into a shitty situation. One that I was lucky to not be born into.
I may care about earning a good living, but I also understand that one day I'll be dead, and what I contributed to society is far more important than how much I passed on to my probably already spoiled children.
As for our other back and forth we clearly don't agree. Moving on.Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:47 pm to UKWildcats
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No, you left that open ended caveat in there in a weak attempt to try and absolve yourself from doing the same thing I'm doing in a thinly veiled attempt to act as if you've taken the high road.
That's just not true, and I do not appreciate your assumption!
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A quick visit to the football board will disprove that. Moving on.
there is no football board. But if you're referring to the SEC rant, I don't recall seeing racist posts on that board. At least, not as blatant as yours.
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Ah yes, the tried and true "I don't have an actual counterpoint so I'll devolve into bandying about with semantics." I knew it was coming eventually. Please let me know what spelling errors you come across as well while you're playing that game.
Counterpoint to what, exactly? You misrepresented liberalism, you essentially proclaimed you could be a bigot "because this is the internet", and you mistook my rhetoric for lambasting you. I've no idea if you get a Christmas bonus nor if you bet on horse races. It was quite literally rhetoric aimed to rile you up.
Anyways, I answered your question(?) regarding evolution above.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:51 pm to UKWildcats
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I will give this post an actual response in a bit. I legitimately have to leave work now
I have to leave shortly to pick up my fiance. Her car is in the shop. Then I have a basketball game. So I won't be back on here until later tonight or tomorrow morning. I'll respond when I can.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:01 pm to UKWildcats
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Your counterpoint is making an assumption about my intelligence simply because I make broad statements and assumptions. I hope the irony didn't go over your head.
It's not really irony. Your initial comment implied it was largely blacks and Hispanics on government assistance based on your use of a stereotypical black and Hispanic name. His comment based on your intelligence was simply based on that comment, evidence you yourself provided with your comment, and through his own experiences with people that make similar comments.
Based on the back and forth since it appears you're more intelligent than those initial posts would suggest, and you're just an immature a-hole that gets off on making borderline racist comments, then claim it's just internet when called on it.
Whatever floats your boat.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 6:13 pm to JamalSanders
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DaFuk? Then what in your mind is a successful economic policy?
Lots of people think trickle down economics works, but does it actually work? The answer is that it depends on the situation.
Wealth can be used in one of two ways. It can be spent on goods and services (consumer spending) or it can be invested. If you have an economy that lacks investment capital, then lowering the tax rate on that money can spur investment. That's Economics 101 and it sometimes works in very poor nations. But in Economics 201, you learn that economic relationships are not so simple.
One thing that we know is that as consumer spending decreases, so do the number of investment opportunities. You could have millions of dollars to invest in a business, but if you have no customers, your business will fail regardless of the tax rate. I'm not saying the tax rate should be high or low. I'm saying that, when an economy is sputtering because there is too little consumer spending, the business tax rate is largely irrelevant.
Lowering the business tax rate won't put money in the hands of consumers. What puts money in the hands of consumers is demand, demand for their labor. Businesses don't hire employees because tax rates are low. Businesses are not charities. Businesses hire employees because the economy demands that they do. Businesses hire employees because they have more customers than they can handle, and if they don't serve those customers, their competitor(s) will.
The thing that should be obvious, that people seem to not understand (because ideology often overrides common sense), is that functional economies need a balance between investment and consumer spending. If the solution one proposes for every economic problem is to lower taxes on businesses, doesn't that seem more than a bit silly? You might as well be telling people that the only tool you'll ever need is a hammer. "Screwdrivers are for immoral libtards!"
Where does the US sit on this spectrum? Does it have too much consumer spending and too little investment? You already know the answer to that. Trump wouldn't have won the Republican nomination if the problem was too much consumer spending and too little investment. Bernie Sanders wouldn't have given Hillary Clinton a run for her money if the problem was too much consumer spending and too little investment.
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Some people in this thread have said that income inequality isn't important. That is incorrect. It is important, and not because of fairness or any other such nonsense. It's important because economies expand when money is flowing. When wealth is concentrated in fewer hands, there is less flow (GDP growth slows). It's really that simple.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 8:49 pm to cas4t
quote:In many ways yes, and in many not so much.
I'd argue that man is intellectually superior to any other creature on the planet,
quote:Sure, but the base instinct for self-preservation always trumps it.
and have evolved to a level in which we are capable of feeling compassion.
quote:Is it something we've evolved into? I see it more as socially accepted norms. I guess society has evolved that way, but the human libido certainly hasn't.
Another concept that the we've evolved into accepting is monogamy. It isn't natural, and it hasn't always been viewed in the same manner as it is today. Yet through evolution, again, we became more compassionate and emotional.
quote:It's been my experience that life only helps those who help themselves. I certainly wasn't handed my lot in life. I worked my arse off to get here. I expect others to do the same. There are always jobs to be had, even for those with no marketable skills. Those who are physically and mentally handicapped are a different story and they are the ones who I don't have an issue with a portion of my taxes going to help.
I, as a generally liberal minded person, would prefer to help prop up someone who is facing difficult times as opposed to step over or on them.
quote:See above.
I also do well enough for myself, and am smart enough with my money, that if a percent or 2 increase in my taxes means a homeless man suffering from bi polar disorder, PTSD, etc can get a warm meal and a bed to sleep on, then I'll be fine.
quote:So you're OK with Shakita, Juanita, and Bessie Sue having 5 kids and claiming them on their taxes for tax credit, remaining unemployed and sitting at home chatting away on their government funded cell phones? Why can't they work for what they need exactly? How does being born poor prevent them from applying for a job or two? Teach a man to fish instead of handing him your fish.
Or if Shakita's kids are able to eat something decent, that's great too. You see, Shakita's kid didn't do anything except be born into a shitty situation. One that I was lucky to not be born into.
quote:And I believe that since I'll already be dead and will not see the fruits of either avenue of thinking , I don't waste time worrying about it.
I may care about earning a good living, but I also understand that one day I'll be dead, and what I contributed to society is far more important than how much I passed on to my probably already spoiled children.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:05 pm to The Spleen
quote:Hypocrisy then, "whatever floats your boat." So it's completely OK for y'all to make denigrating comments based on your experiences (because you agree with him), yet when I did it based on mine you took umbrage (because you don't.) I love your consistency! Bravo. So is that ironic or hypocritical of you?
It's not really irony. Your initial comment implied it was largely blacks and Hispanics on government assistance based on your use of a stereotypical black and Hispanic name. His comment based on your intelligence was simply based on that comment, evidence you yourself provided with your comment, and through his own experiences with people that make similar comments.
quote:Well at least you won't have to think too hard the next time you try to come up with a different body part when creating a new online moniker.
]Based on the back and forth since it appears you're more intelligent than those initial posts would suggest, and you're just an immature a-hole that gets off on making borderline racist comments, then claim it's just internet when called on it.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 9:09 pm
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