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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:45 am to OBReb6
Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:45 am to OBReb6
quote:A lot of people also thought blacks were literally subhuman animals and there was nothing wrong with forcing them to do manual labor. In fact, not thinking that was almost considered radical.
He couldn't give two shits about Black Americans, he just considered slavery to be morally wrong, like a lot of people did at the time.
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:17 pm to genro
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The grammatical difference really signifies how Lincoln shifted the way our country is set up. And how we view it as citizens. The simplest of grammatical changes is so powerfully indicative of how our nation's entire identity and structure has changed.
Being from Texas is still a pretty big deal. When we travel abroad, most people tend to say they are from Texas. Cuz we are better than the rest of the USA.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:33 pm to TeLeFaWx
I say I'm from Alabama. Big whoop.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:36 pm to genro
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I say I'm from Alabama. Big whoop.
Agreed. Being from Texas would actually be noteworthy.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:38 pm to TeLeFaWx
You're really insecure about your state
Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:38 pm to genro
The Civil War was contrived by European bankers, this is all documented in writings from the time period. At the time slavery had economic implications that far out weighed any moral implications.
The US had refused two attempts at european installations of central banks in the United States. This outraged european aristocracy.
The plan to break the Union giving Europe an opportunity to regain an economic stronghold in the new world was nearly accomplished until Lincoln did the thing that would get him killed. He created 400 million notes in the treasury instead of borrowing the money from private banks under european control. He created money without debt or interest attached. This saved the Union.
Unfortunately in 1913 the third European owned central bank was founded, we know this today as the FED.
The US had refused two attempts at european installations of central banks in the United States. This outraged european aristocracy.
The plan to break the Union giving Europe an opportunity to regain an economic stronghold in the new world was nearly accomplished until Lincoln did the thing that would get him killed. He created 400 million notes in the treasury instead of borrowing the money from private banks under european control. He created money without debt or interest attached. This saved the Union.
Unfortunately in 1913 the third European owned central bank was founded, we know this today as the FED.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:43 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Sorry, I forgot yall like to say that the civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about states rights.
Tell me more about that time a bunch of northern racists left their homes and traveled a great distance to risk their lives because they felt it was wrong blacks were forced into labor.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 5:15 pm to Rodeonaut
Many in the Union were opposed to slavery, most of those believed it denigrated free labor. It had nothing to do with the rights and freedoms of the slaves themselves.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 5:22 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Many in the Union were opposed to slavery, most of those believed it denigrated free labor. It had nothing to do with the rights and freedoms of the slaves themselves.
So, like I said it was economic implications instead of moral implications that were behind the slavery issue.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 5:41 pm to Rodeonaut
I'm confused? I work for clothing food and shelter. They worked for clothing food and shelter. Not the best of conditions but what were good conditions back then. I guess it's the fact the didn't get cash to spend how they see fit like drugs and alcohol.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:05 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Many in the Union were opposed to slavery, most of those believed it denigrated free labor. It had nothing to do with the rights and freedoms of the slaves themselves.
This is the case for the overwhelming majority. In the North, slavery wasn't economically beneficial, it was cheaper to pay them pennies on the dollars to work in the factories then go home. In the new territories, people couldn't afford slaves on their new homesteads. The Republican Party's anti-slavery movement came out of fear of being able to compete economically.
My grandmother grew up on a farm in Iowa. She never saw a black man til she was 18. She(a bleeding liberal most people that grew up during the Great Depression hated Hoover according to her) broke down in tears and cried when Obama won because she never believed a place as racist as her home state could ever vote for a black man.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:06 pm to genro
Actually a Brit today would still say the same thing. A country or a corporate entity in British English would still be referred to this way.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:10 pm to genro
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A lot of people also thought blacks were literally subhuman animals and there was nothing wrong with forcing them to do manual labor. In fact, not thinking that was almost considered radical.
This was also standard thinking in Europe and most western societies. These ideas come from Aryan mysticism originating in Europe way, way before Hitler ever propagandized it. There were harvard professors and many others who believed in manifest destiny who thought it was God given that the white man was the superior being on this planet. Teddy Roosevelt thought this as well.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:47 pm to genro
I am curious to hear what the general consensus here is towards the 17th Amendment with respect to Federalism. Lincoln built the foundation for a strong central government while Bryan, Teddy Roosevelt, and Wilson gave us our 'progressive' trajectory for the last one-hundred years.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:00 pm to Rodeonaut
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So, like I said it was economic implications instead of moral implications that were behind the slavery issue.
It's complex but for the Union, yes. The abolitionists were considered out of touch extremists.
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This is the case for the overwhelming majority. In the North, slavery wasn't economically beneficial, it was cheaper to pay them pennies on the dollars to work in the factories then go home. In the new territories, people couldn't afford slaves on their new homesteads. The Republican Party's anti-slavery movement came out of fear of being able to compete economical
And in the South many argued that Slavery elevated whites. Even the poorest, well he was white - he wasn't a slave.
It's worth noting that the paternalistic elements of slavery, and the idea that blacks were some how inferior developed over time. They were byproducts of slavery.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:19 pm to Ole Colonel 27
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I'm confused? I work for clothing food and shelter. They worked for clothing food and shelter. Not the best of conditions but what were good conditions back then. I guess it's the fact the didn't get cash to spend how they see fit like drugs and alcohol.
I'm confused.. I don't know what you're talking about.
What are you saying that in response to?
Posted on 12/5/13 at 9:24 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Lima Whiskey
Don't take something someone else said and include it in a response to me, thanks.
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So, like I said it was economic implications instead of moral implications that were behind the slavery issue.
It's complex but for the Union, yes. The abolitionists were considered out of touch extremists.
And this is confusing. I was the one that said this (twice) and it sounds like you're informing me of it. Strange.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 10:49 pm to Rodeonaut
Dear God. No wonder the rest of the US picks on the Deep South. An unforgivable institution that profited a small group of elites still being defended by those who wouldn't know history or 'elite' status if it bit them in arse. 
Posted on 12/5/13 at 10:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Being from Texas is still a pretty big deal. When we travel abroad, most people tend to say they are from Texas. Cuz we are better than the rest of the USA.
This was really all that needed to be said in this thread
Instant recognition when traveling abroad.
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