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re: SEC Metro GDP Growth
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:19 pm to BHMKyle
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:19 pm to BHMKyle
I noticed that these numbers stop at 2015. I also noticed it doesn't include Cottondale and Vance which are suburbs and is where everyone in Tuscaloosa works. Also, Insurance companies were way behind on claims and tens of thousands of people and jobs were put on hold and folks were displaced. If u add the Tuscaloosa "tri counties" of Fayette, Tuscaloosa and Bibb counties as u did for other areas, it changes dramatically.
U can always make statistics look how u want with just leaving this out here but throwing it in there.
What's that old saying? Something lies, damn something and statistics?
Tuscaloosa metro has grown immensley in the last couple of years. Tuscaloosa county has the 3rd lowest unemployment, as we speak, in the state (Shelby bad Madison being lowest). Just six months ago, Mercedes announced its engine plant being moved to Tuscaloosa county.
U can always make statistics look how u want with just leaving this out here but throwing it in there.
What's that old saying? Something lies, damn something and statistics?
Tuscaloosa metro has grown immensley in the last couple of years. Tuscaloosa county has the 3rd lowest unemployment, as we speak, in the state (Shelby bad Madison being lowest). Just six months ago, Mercedes announced its engine plant being moved to Tuscaloosa county.
This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 10:25 pm
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Posted on 12/13/18 at 11:55 pm to Godawgs4
Holy shite the data on Starkville is HIGHLY inaccurate. The area has added like 7000 jobs since the mid 2000's. The GTR region has Airbus Helicopters, Boeing, Stark Aerospace, Paccar Engines along with the Steel Dynamics plant, brand new Yokohama tire plant, along with Southwire, and a C Spire data center that opened recently in Starkville. Plus, Starkville city population is up, not down.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:00 am to Reservoir dawg
One of the reasons for Auburn's growth is the downward slide of Montgomery. I grew up there and back in the 80s, it had very low crime and a number of the public schools were doing very well. Now the crime rate has been up for years and the avg ACT at Lee and Jefferson Davis are down to around 12 out of 36, which is about what a retarded person would score. Lee used to be such a great school, filled with mostly working class Whites, some rich White kids, and some middle class Blacks and a significant, but minority of poor Blacks. Now the latter are the overwhelming majority. So Auburn is doing well partially due to White flight. I really wish I knew how Montgomery could move forward, but there is way too much dead weight in my hometown. Very sad.
In the early 90s I worked part time as a substitute teacher in inner city Montgomery schools and saw first hand the slide. The kids had zero interest in learning and were hostile to any expectations you had for them to learn.
In the early 90s I worked part time as a substitute teacher in inner city Montgomery schools and saw first hand the slide. The kids had zero interest in learning and were hostile to any expectations you had for them to learn.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 1:04 am
Posted on 12/14/18 at 1:51 am to BHMKyle
quote:I can see why. No way could I stand to live by those kooks after reading a few of their posts on here. How does Auburn tolerate them?
-7.3% Tuscaloosa,Al.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:24 am to TouchdownTony
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I noticed that these numbers stop at 2015.
Yes, the Census just released the 2012-2015 GDP by County on Tuesday. This was not some arbitrary date chosen by me. If you have an issue with it, take it up with the Federal Government.
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I also noticed it doesn't include Cottondale and Vance which are suburbs and is where everyone in Tuscaloosa works.
You noticed incorrectly. It includes all of Tuscaloosa, Hale, and Pickens Counties
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U can always make statistics look how u want with just leaving this out here but throwing it in there.
What's that old saying? Something lies, damn something and statistics?
What is the old saying about not having a clue about what you are talking about?
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Tuscaloosa county has the 3rd lowest unemployment, as we speak, in the state (Shelby bad Madison being lowest).
Do you just spew random thoughts without any knowledge on the subject? A quick trip to the state of Alabama's Department of Labor website quickly shows you have no idea what you are talking about.
October 2018 Unemployment Rate by Alabama County:
2.8%- Shelby
3.2%- Cullman
3.3%- Elmore, Marshall
3.4%- Cherokee, Lee, Limestone, Madison, Morgan, Tuscaloosa
Tuscaloosa is one of six counties tied for 5th in terms of lowest unemployment rate. Not bad, but spewing fake statistics is not a good look.
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 7:27 am
Posted on 12/14/18 at 8:55 am to BHMKyle
To give some more data reflecting just how poorly Alabama, and more particularly Birmingham, has performed compared to other southern states/large metros.... just look at where Birmingham ranks in terms of GDP growth compared to other large cities.
Metro Birmingham accounts for over 25% of the state's overall GDP.
Real GDP Growth Rate, 2012-2015 for Southern Metros of 1 Million+ people:
+25.9%- San Antonio, TX
+17.2%- Austin, TX
+14.7%- Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, FL
+12.7%- Raleigh, NC
+12.0%- Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX
+11.9%- Jacksonville, FL
+11.3%- Houston, TX
+11.3%- Nashville, TN
+10.3%- Atlanta, GA
+9.8%- Charlotte, NC
------- NATIONAL AVG. 6.8%--------
+4.2%- Louisville
+4.2%- Tampa, FL
+4.1%- New Orleans, LA
+0.3%- Orlando, FL
+0.3%- Memphis, TN
-0.2%- Birmingham, AL
Birmingham was dead-last of all the major Southern metro areas. In fact, of the 53 metro areas with 1 Million + people, Birmingham was #51. The only large metros that performed worse were Milwaukee (#52) and Tucson (#53).
Why has Birmingham missed out on the growth that the rest of the South (minus Mississippi) has been experiencing during the last 10-15 years.
Memphis' sluggish growth can somewhat be explained by Nashville's boom. I would think Nashville is feeding off Memphis a bit.
Metro Birmingham accounts for over 25% of the state's overall GDP.
Real GDP Growth Rate, 2012-2015 for Southern Metros of 1 Million+ people:
+25.9%- San Antonio, TX
+17.2%- Austin, TX
+14.7%- Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, FL
+12.7%- Raleigh, NC
+12.0%- Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX
+11.9%- Jacksonville, FL
+11.3%- Houston, TX
+11.3%- Nashville, TN
+10.3%- Atlanta, GA
+9.8%- Charlotte, NC
------- NATIONAL AVG. 6.8%--------
+4.2%- Louisville
+4.2%- Tampa, FL
+4.1%- New Orleans, LA
+0.3%- Orlando, FL
+0.3%- Memphis, TN
-0.2%- Birmingham, AL
Birmingham was dead-last of all the major Southern metro areas. In fact, of the 53 metro areas with 1 Million + people, Birmingham was #51. The only large metros that performed worse were Milwaukee (#52) and Tucson (#53).
Why has Birmingham missed out on the growth that the rest of the South (minus Mississippi) has been experiencing during the last 10-15 years.
Memphis' sluggish growth can somewhat be explained by Nashville's boom. I would think Nashville is feeding off Memphis a bit.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:04 am to BHMKyle
Birmingham has been led by a monoracial incompetent gang since 1978. So has Atlanta, but their gang seems more competent.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 10:14 am to InGAButLoveBama
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Birmingham has been led by a monoracial incompetent gang since 1978. So has Atlanta, but their gang seems more competent.
It is true that Birmingham has had poor leadership for about the past 75 years.
However, its not just Birmingham. It's the entire state save a few small pockets. Using the 2012-2015 GDP data, Auburn and the Shoals are the only areas of the state experiencing GDP growth greater than the national average.... Baldwin County is right at the national average but a lot of that is because it is feeding off of Mobile which has seen negative GDP growth. So when you combine Mobile and Baldwin Counties together, the GDP growth still comes out negative.
While Huntsville has been a success story for the past 20 years or so, I think a lot of it is over-hyped by Huntsville people. Madison County has seen very fast population growth, but it's not been all that different that the other Fast-Growth counties in the state's largest population centers:
Net Population Gains 1990-2017:
+122,000- Madison County (Huntsville region)
+114,000- Baldwin County (Mobile region)
+114,000- Shelby County (Birmingham region)
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:23 pm to BHMKyle
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Why has Birmingham missed out on the growth that the rest of the South (minus Mississippi) has been experiencing during the last 10-15 years.
Alabama and Mississippi have had strong growth in manufacturing jobs during this period. Birmingham and Jackson have the same issues.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 3:16 pm to Reservoir dawg
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Alabama and Mississippi have had strong growth in manufacturing jobs during this period. Birmingham and Jackson have the same issues.
Yes they definitely have the same issues. And yes, there has been growth in manufacturing jobs but its not spilling into other sectors and creating huge gains in population/economic growth.
Inside the Deep South + Texas, the population of the region has growth 49.7% since 1990. That's double the pace of the rest of the country. Yet somehow, Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana are growing even slower than the rest of the country.
Population Growth Percentage since 1990:
66.6%- Texas
64.7%- Florida
61.0%- Georgia
55.0%- North Carolina
44.1%- S. Carolina
37.7%- Tennessee
31.4%- Arkansas
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23.9%- REST OF THE COUNTRY
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20.9%- Kentucky
20.6%- Alabama
16.0%- Mississippi
11.0%- Louisiana
Somehow Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana have missed the explosive growth experienced by the rest of the Sun Belt.
In some ways, it makes no sense. Most of these are low tax states with business friendly tax laws. All but Kentucky have ocean access. The recipe is there for strong growth but it just never came.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 5:04 pm to Arksulli
I hate how fricking metro we've become.
Lunch hour traffic in Fayetteville is what gameday traffic was 10 years ago. I am sitting at home right now delaying heading to the gym because it's over off Wedington and that area is a clusterfrick for nearly 2 hours every evening.
I'm ready for this region to settle down and catch up.
Lunch hour traffic in Fayetteville is what gameday traffic was 10 years ago. I am sitting at home right now delaying heading to the gym because it's over off Wedington and that area is a clusterfrick for nearly 2 hours every evening.
I'm ready for this region to settle down and catch up.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 7:29 pm to wmr
Unfortunately, the DEEP South is hamstrung by deep poverty, related at least partially to lower avg IQ, but also to stupid govt programs that incentivize fertility among the lowest IQ people.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 2:59 pm to RollTide4Ever
quote:There is still a heavy reliance on Govt. money but that is changing rapidly with the addition of Toyota Engine, Remington, Polaris, GE Aviation, and the new Toyota\Mazda Joint Venture Mfg plant. Along with expansions at existing mfg plants like BASF more growth is coming from the Private Sector rather than all the eggs in the Huntsville basket being "Gobment" eggs.
Is Huntsville too reliant on federal dollars, though?
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 3:05 pm
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