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Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:13 pm
Only serious replies please.
So, catholics worship Mary, the mother of Christ and I understand the great respect for her but I believe it is worshipping a false idol. Please educate me on this. We are only supposed to worship Jesus Christ so why worship Mary and and also, why do Catholics confess their sins to a priest when Christianity only says you are supposed to ask for forgiveness to Jesus?
So, catholics worship Mary, the mother of Christ and I understand the great respect for her but I believe it is worshipping a false idol. Please educate me on this. We are only supposed to worship Jesus Christ so why worship Mary and and also, why do Catholics confess their sins to a priest when Christianity only says you are supposed to ask for forgiveness to Jesus?
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Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:18 pm to Dawgirl
Catholics venerate Mary but do not worship her. This is either a troll or mind numbingy ignorant.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:19 pm to Dawgirl
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So, catholics worship Mary, the mother of Christ
No we don’t. We venerate her and ask for her intercession with Christ. We do not worship her.
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Christianity only says you are supposed to ask for forgiveness to Jesus?
Whose Christianity? Yours? Here’s a shocker: different Christian faiths believe different things. We are asking Jesus and God for forgiveness through his representative on earth.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:20 pm to KSGamecock
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This is either a troll or mind numbingy ignorant.
Yeah-I was going to say this, but figured I’d attempt to educate the OP instead.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:21 pm to Dawgirl
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why do Catholics confess their sins to a priest when Christianity only says you are supposed to ask for forgiveness to Jesus?
You are seeking forgiveness from God. Confession brings reflection, absolution, and reconciliation with the church, like when you were a kid and did something wrong and hid from your parents. The priest facilitates that.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:22 pm to DownSouthJukin
Guess this is as good a time as any to ask, what is in the books that are included in the catholic bible but not the KJV?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:22 pm to DownSouthJukin
Yea, I pulled out my Catechism but don't think it's worth it to give it.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:23 pm to KSGamecock
You said it better than me.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:23 pm to Dawgirl
Just an Orthodox Christian passing through
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:24 pm to thatguy45
RE: The books that are not included in protestant Bibles, I think the whole thing has roots to the Latin, Hebrew, and Greek texts. IIRC Luther didn't want to include certain books that didn't have a Greek version as he was translating from Latin to German. The omitted books included support for a works perspective on salvation which Luther shunned.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:26 pm to KSGamecock
Ok. I've never read the Catholic bible, just the Baptist/Protestant one. I asked a Catholic friend about it and he couldn't really tell me about it as he said he hadn't been to church in awhile
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:27 pm to ExtraSpecial
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Orthodox
Who was on the right side of the schism?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:27 pm to KSGamecock
Not a troll just trying to understand the Catholic religion. I'm baptist.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:39 pm to thatguy45
Ok, from "What Catholics Believe and Why"
"The Development of Christian Scriptures
...Meanwhile, similar discussions about sacred texts were taking place among the early Christians. There was a strong preference for the Greek Septuagint version, since the vast majority (over 90 percent) of the quotations from the Old Testament found in the New Testament were from the Septuagint. So the seven additional books were included in the Christian listing.
When it came to the New Testament, there was also much debate over which books should be included or excluded. Some Christian leaders thought that certain books were (Hebrews, Jude, 2 Peter, Revelation) were not inspired, while others held that writings like the Shepherd of Hermas, the Gospels of Peter and Thomas, the letters of Barnabas and Clement were inspired.
Finally, relying on the witness of Tradition (especially the Apostolic Fathers such as St. Irenaeus, St. Clement, and St. Justin the Martyr), the canon of Scripture was settled in the late fourth century. After the Council of Rome in 382, Pope Damasus wrote a decree listing the canon as our present 73 books: 46 of the Old Testament and 27 of the New. The debate continued however. Then in 397 the Council of Carthage approved the same list of books, and this is the council which even most Protestants regard as authoritative for the New Testament books.
This is how the matters remained for the next 1100 years until the Protestant Reformation. In 1529 Martin Luther decided to adopt the 39 book Hebrew version of the Old Testament. He justified his decision to omit the seven books by appealing to St. Jerome who, around the year 400, had expressed concerns that these Greek texts had no Hebrew counterparts (It turns out that Jerome was misinformed).
But Luther's real reason appears to have been that some of the books teach doctrines which he was rejecting. 2 Maccabees encourages prayers for the dead (implying some kind of Purgatory) and Sirach is strong on the importance of good works for salvation which Luther strongly denied. In any case, from Luther's time on, Protestant Bibles omit those seven books off the Old Testament. They are named "deutero-canonical" or "apocryphal" to distinguish them from the "canonical" books. They are included in some editions as an appendix to the regular biblical text.
What becomes clear from all these aberrations is the need for some kind of authority structure to guide these all-important decisions. The Catholic Church has always claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morality, based on the promises of Jesus to be with the Church always (Matthew 28:20) and to send the Holy Spirit "the Spirit of truth (John 14:16-17). When the Church leaders gathered in councils to discern the canon of the Sacred Scripture, they did so prayerfully, asking the Holy Spirit to guide their decisions. Accordingly today we can have confidence that the Bible does indeed contain God's inspired word of our salvation and our spiritual enrichment. "
"The Development of Christian Scriptures
...Meanwhile, similar discussions about sacred texts were taking place among the early Christians. There was a strong preference for the Greek Septuagint version, since the vast majority (over 90 percent) of the quotations from the Old Testament found in the New Testament were from the Septuagint. So the seven additional books were included in the Christian listing.
When it came to the New Testament, there was also much debate over which books should be included or excluded. Some Christian leaders thought that certain books were (Hebrews, Jude, 2 Peter, Revelation) were not inspired, while others held that writings like the Shepherd of Hermas, the Gospels of Peter and Thomas, the letters of Barnabas and Clement were inspired.
Finally, relying on the witness of Tradition (especially the Apostolic Fathers such as St. Irenaeus, St. Clement, and St. Justin the Martyr), the canon of Scripture was settled in the late fourth century. After the Council of Rome in 382, Pope Damasus wrote a decree listing the canon as our present 73 books: 46 of the Old Testament and 27 of the New. The debate continued however. Then in 397 the Council of Carthage approved the same list of books, and this is the council which even most Protestants regard as authoritative for the New Testament books.
This is how the matters remained for the next 1100 years until the Protestant Reformation. In 1529 Martin Luther decided to adopt the 39 book Hebrew version of the Old Testament. He justified his decision to omit the seven books by appealing to St. Jerome who, around the year 400, had expressed concerns that these Greek texts had no Hebrew counterparts (It turns out that Jerome was misinformed).
But Luther's real reason appears to have been that some of the books teach doctrines which he was rejecting. 2 Maccabees encourages prayers for the dead (implying some kind of Purgatory) and Sirach is strong on the importance of good works for salvation which Luther strongly denied. In any case, from Luther's time on, Protestant Bibles omit those seven books off the Old Testament. They are named "deutero-canonical" or "apocryphal" to distinguish them from the "canonical" books. They are included in some editions as an appendix to the regular biblical text.
What becomes clear from all these aberrations is the need for some kind of authority structure to guide these all-important decisions. The Catholic Church has always claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morality, based on the promises of Jesus to be with the Church always (Matthew 28:20) and to send the Holy Spirit "the Spirit of truth (John 14:16-17). When the Church leaders gathered in councils to discern the canon of the Sacred Scripture, they did so prayerfully, asking the Holy Spirit to guide their decisions. Accordingly today we can have confidence that the Bible does indeed contain God's inspired word of our salvation and our spiritual enrichment. "
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:40 pm to Dawgirl
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I'm baptist.
Yea, I picked up on that from the OP.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:45 pm to ExtraSpecial
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Just an Orthodox Christian passing through
You're fine by me.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:48 pm to KSGamecock
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But Luther's real reason appears to have been that some of the books teach doctrines which he was rejecting. 2 Maccabees encourages prayers for the dead (implying some kind of Purgatory) and Sirach is strong on the importance of good works for salvation which Luther strongly denied. In any case, from Luther's time on, Protestant Bibles omit those seven books off the Old Testament. They are named "deutero-canonical" or "apocryphal" to distinguish them from the "canonical" books. They are included in some editions as an appendix to the regular biblical text.
Thanks for the spoon feed. I kinda figured it would be this, as the views relating to the requirements for Salvation vary between followers of these two versions, as does the existence of purgatory.
Guess I should read these other texts if for nothing else than getting others' views. Its kinda why I want to read the quran despite not remotely considering islam nor agreeing with many of its followers practices
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:48 pm to KSGamecock
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Yea, I picked up on that from the OP.
You got a problem with Baptists brah?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:50 pm to thatguy45
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Thanks for the spoon feed. I kinda figured it would be this, as the views relating to the requirements for Salvation vary between followers of these two versions, as does the existence of purgatory.
It's a spoon feed from a Catholic perspective so just be wary of that. I would seek out a Lutheran source as well if I were you but it's hard to find one that speaks with any weight because of the fracturing of that church. Maybe something from the LCMS.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:50 pm to thatguy45
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You got a problem with Baptists brah?
No, I love the nation of Israel.
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