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Mind Blown: E=M?^2
Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:49 pm to JacketFan77
Yeah frick you nerd. Hahahaha, right?
Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:59 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
Yes, but "C" becomes a standard velocity (299,792,458 m/s) rather than a natural constant. To me, that's a significant adjustment to special relativity.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:14 pm to JacketFan77
I'm not able to hold a worthwhile conversation in that regard with you. I can do math and have dabbled in some physics.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:17 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I'm not able to hold a worthwhile conversation in that regard with you. I can do math and have dabbled in some physics.
I bet you could - I bet you could do a lot more than you think can.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:20 pm to JacketFan77
Haha no I could, I did a bunch of shite that involved upper level physics in my courses. But feel free to help me out.
Before this did they not view c as a constant? Or what was the implication of it being a natural constant as I believe you put it.
Before this did they not view c as a constant? Or what was the implication of it being a natural constant as I believe you put it.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:25 pm to JacketFan77
What the frick is this thread about? 

Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:31 pm to JacketFan77
So is light is no longer a constant, it varies depending on the shape of the photons?
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:35 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
Special Relativity depends on the speed of light always being the speed of light. The "constant" suggests to us that the law is the law - that the mass-energy equivalence is something we can hang our natural law hat on. If the constant becomes not-so-consistent, then there are some things to rethink. I'm still wrapping my head around it.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:36 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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So is light is no longer a constant, it varies depending on the shape of the photons?
I'm really not sure. In air, something like "shape" can change surface area which alters friction and, thus, velocity ... but in a vacuum. Again, getting my head around it.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:38 pm to JacketFan77
Well weve known that light can be bent by gravity, but we haven't known how to bend light to our will, until now. Interesting...
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:41 pm to PepaSpray
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Well weve known that light can be bent by gravity, but we haven't known how to bend light to our will, until now. Interesting..
Bent, yes. Slowed, no.
(but, you are getting into my physics wheelhouse - gravitational lensing is an interest of mine)
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:42 pm to JacketFan77
Yep. I give up.
Go Jackets. frick trying to understand science.
Go Jackets. frick trying to understand science.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:51 pm to JacketFan77
Thanks for the link. I seem to remember reading about this experiment somewhere else. IIRC the two photons would be only 5 seconds apart if they raced across the entirety of the Universe.
While that's an incredibly small difference, it does indicate that the speed of light can be altered and the implications are profound.
One aspect of the photons was not clear. Were they entangled in the experiment? If so, I would think both would be slower than the constant when projected back into free space.
While that's an incredibly small difference, it does indicate that the speed of light can be altered and the implications are profound.
One aspect of the photons was not clear. Were they entangled in the experiment? If so, I would think both would be slower than the constant when projected back into free space.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 9:54 pm to Kentucker
The "race" is just a simulation. The photons were fired in separately - one in a simple vacuum and one in a vacuum through the "filter".
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:14 pm to JacketFan77
Here's a link to Science Express, the magazine that first published the paper about the experiment. Is this where you read the article?
I'm going to purchase the PDF and read it tomorrow. It's fascinating.
Here's the abstract:
That the speed of light in free space is constant is a cornerstone of modern physics. However, light beams have finite transverse size, which leads to a modification of their wavevectors resulting in a change to their phase and group velocities. We study the group velocity of single photons by measuring a change in their arrival time that results from changing the beam’s transverse spatial structure. Using time-correlated photon pairs we show a reduction of the group velocity of photons in both a Bessel beam and photons in a focused Gaussian beam. In both cases, the delay is several micrometers over a propagation distance of the order of 1 m. Our work highlights that, even in free space, the invariance of the speed of light only applies to plane waves.
I'm going to purchase the PDF and read it tomorrow. It's fascinating.
Here's the abstract:
That the speed of light in free space is constant is a cornerstone of modern physics. However, light beams have finite transverse size, which leads to a modification of their wavevectors resulting in a change to their phase and group velocities. We study the group velocity of single photons by measuring a change in their arrival time that results from changing the beam’s transverse spatial structure. Using time-correlated photon pairs we show a reduction of the group velocity of photons in both a Bessel beam and photons in a focused Gaussian beam. In both cases, the delay is several micrometers over a propagation distance of the order of 1 m. Our work highlights that, even in free space, the invariance of the speed of light only applies to plane waves.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:19 pm to Kentucker
You sonsabitches need to save this kind of crap for Monday.

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