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re: "Making a Murderer" on Netflix: Wow
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:54 pm to Pitch To Johnny
Posted on 12/30/15 at 12:54 pm to Pitch To Johnny
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Almost done with episode 2. Wow.
I finished episode 2 last night.
Officially engrossed at this point.
My first questions were, "really, the car was found in the junkyard, the keys in plain sight in his house?"
Plus there is the whole thing about it being investigated by cops from an adjacent jurisdiction from the get go ... an admission of guilt and an obvious set-up by the powers that be IMHO.
Going to watch Episode 3 after the last SEC bowl game tonight.
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Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:02 pm to scrooster
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My first questions were, "really, the car was found in the junkyard, the keys in plain sight in his house?"
Lol. They didn't allow him on the property for ~6 days...and the keys that were in plain sight were missed on the first few inspections. No reason for suspicion at all.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:21 pm to scrooster
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I finished episode 2 last night.
Officially engrossed at this point.
My first questions were, "really, the car was found in the junkyard, the keys in plain sight in his house?"
there is soooooo much more to come that will leave you angry.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:43 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
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Finally, and this is not a question but just an opinion, that sneezy DA was such a toolbag. Every word out of that fat frick's mouth was infuriating.
About three years later he was removed from his position after sexually harassing the ex-GF of a man he was prosecuting. During that it came out he was strung out on prescription meds and a sex addict.
Dudes a fat fricking loser addict.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 1:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
I just realized that "sleazy" got autocorrected to "sneezy." But yeah I liked how he was bragging about his $350,000 house but said he makes six-figures. That doesn't add up. Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:55 pm to RoyalAir
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After some shite that was pulled on me in a former life by the State, I figured nothing could make me be even more skeptical of the prosecutorial system. Incredible.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 2:58 pm to WG_Dawg
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there is soooooo much more to come that will leave you angry.
That's what I'm afraid of - that's what this thread has me wondering about.
But let's admit it - these kind of things only happen if citizens allow it to happen.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:03 pm to scrooster
AFter about 3 or 4 episodes I strongly considered not even watching anymore it was so infuriating. At that point that I was too invested and honestly really entertained so I've kept up. I've got 3 left.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:24 pm to scrooster
A story better told over beer and wings.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 3:31 pm to WG_Dawg
I have found in my own experience and reading other's thoughts about the series online, that episode 4 seems to be the tipping point for most viewers.
My anger exploded at the end of that episode and the rest of the series I felt mostly resignation.
My anger exploded at the end of that episode and the rest of the series I felt mostly resignation.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 5:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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AFter about 3 or 4 episodes I strongly considered not even watching anymore it was so infuriating. At that point that I was too invested and honestly really entertained so I've kept up. I've got 3 left.
It feels like everything is winding down after episode 9, then episode 10 pops up and delivers one last kamikaze blow to your nuts. It goes into detail about the 16 year old nephew's state appointed attorney and how hard he fricked him over.
Posted on 12/30/15 at 5:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It feels like everything is winding down after episode 9, then episode 10 pops up and delivers one last kamikaze blow to your nuts
well...
frick
Posted on 12/30/15 at 6:12 pm to RoyalAir
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After some shite that was pulled on me in a former life by the State, I figured nothing could make me be even more skeptical of the prosecutorial system. Incredible.
I hear ya, I've deserved everything I've ever got by the state except for 2 things. Those 2 were put on me and I was railroaded like a motherfricker. I started using very good lawyers after that, if you have a cop who doesn't like you the extra money for a goid mouthpiece is worth every fricking penny.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 12:56 am to Agforlife
First of all. Totally engrossing. Never watched a series like that where I just couldn't stop. I thought the first half of the series was much better than the final half, but it was still well done.
Now, obviously they filmed this thing over 10 years so to fit that all into 10 hours is impossible but it was pretty clearly slanted towards the theory that Avery was framed. Which, maybe he was but I'm not so sure and there are some key pieces of evidence that were left out.
- Leg Irons and Handcuffs were found both in Avery and Dassey's residence. Important to note that no DNA of Halbach was found on any of them.
- The key DID have Avery's DNA on it. Sweat DNA. The circumstances in which it was found are very suspicious of course, and the fact that it didn't have her DNA on it is also troubling.
- Dassey helped Avery clean the garage floor according to his mother. Dassey came home with bleach stains on his pants. Now, it may be hard to believe that these two were mentally capable of cleaning a crime scene of all DNA evidence but why are they cleaning that structure (which was essentially junk storage) with bleach? Seems odd
- Inmates who were incarcerated with Avery during his first stint claimed that he had drawn plans for a "torture chamber" and planned to build it upon his release. Also, there are allegations from two seperate women that they were raped by Avery.
- Halbach had many previous encounters with Avery and once he had opened his door wearing only a towel. She had stated that he was "creepy" and at one point said she wouldn't return to the Avery property because she was scared of him.
- Particularly suspicious, Avery called Auto Trader (using a fake name, his sister's) and specifically requested Halbach on the day of her murder. This, of course, does not mean he killed her but it is very suspicious when coupled with the fact above that she had previously been made uncomfortable by him.
- DNA evidence WAS found on her car. Not only the blood, but also sweat DNA which no theory was offered by the defense on how that could have been planted.
- The bullet found in the garage with Halbach's DNA was shot from a gun owned by Avery. Now, if you are of the theory that evidence was planted this is not terribly significant as the bullet could have easily been found elsewhere on the property. Still worth noting though.
In the end, I just don't know. There are definitely some very suspicious circumstances in how and when some of the evidence was collected. And it's very easy to come to the conclusion that he was a target, the main target, likely the only target of police. One important thing to remember though, that even if this were the case that does not necessarily make him innocent. Several things that don't really add up, but I haven't seen anything that would convince me he is innocent.
Now, obviously they filmed this thing over 10 years so to fit that all into 10 hours is impossible but it was pretty clearly slanted towards the theory that Avery was framed. Which, maybe he was but I'm not so sure and there are some key pieces of evidence that were left out.
- Leg Irons and Handcuffs were found both in Avery and Dassey's residence. Important to note that no DNA of Halbach was found on any of them.
- The key DID have Avery's DNA on it. Sweat DNA. The circumstances in which it was found are very suspicious of course, and the fact that it didn't have her DNA on it is also troubling.
- Dassey helped Avery clean the garage floor according to his mother. Dassey came home with bleach stains on his pants. Now, it may be hard to believe that these two were mentally capable of cleaning a crime scene of all DNA evidence but why are they cleaning that structure (which was essentially junk storage) with bleach? Seems odd
- Inmates who were incarcerated with Avery during his first stint claimed that he had drawn plans for a "torture chamber" and planned to build it upon his release. Also, there are allegations from two seperate women that they were raped by Avery.
- Halbach had many previous encounters with Avery and once he had opened his door wearing only a towel. She had stated that he was "creepy" and at one point said she wouldn't return to the Avery property because she was scared of him.
- Particularly suspicious, Avery called Auto Trader (using a fake name, his sister's) and specifically requested Halbach on the day of her murder. This, of course, does not mean he killed her but it is very suspicious when coupled with the fact above that she had previously been made uncomfortable by him.
- DNA evidence WAS found on her car. Not only the blood, but also sweat DNA which no theory was offered by the defense on how that could have been planted.
- The bullet found in the garage with Halbach's DNA was shot from a gun owned by Avery. Now, if you are of the theory that evidence was planted this is not terribly significant as the bullet could have easily been found elsewhere on the property. Still worth noting though.
In the end, I just don't know. There are definitely some very suspicious circumstances in how and when some of the evidence was collected. And it's very easy to come to the conclusion that he was a target, the main target, likely the only target of police. One important thing to remember though, that even if this were the case that does not necessarily make him innocent. Several things that don't really add up, but I haven't seen anything that would convince me he is innocent.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 7:47 am to JesusQuintana
there's a bunch of head scratchers from both sides. What I keep going back to though, if I was on the jury, is that it's not the defense's job to prove that he's innocent. It's their job to cast reasonable doubt of his guilt. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. It's the prosecution's job to prove without question that he is guilty.
And there is just sooooo much that leads to doubt that there's no way I (and I don't see how anyone actually on the jury) could convict guilty. He may be guilty, probably very few people actually know for sure. But there's damn sure a metric frick ton of reasonable doubt.
And there is just sooooo much that leads to doubt that there's no way I (and I don't see how anyone actually on the jury) could convict guilty. He may be guilty, probably very few people actually know for sure. But there's damn sure a metric frick ton of reasonable doubt.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:42 am to WG_Dawg
I think what really hurt the defense, both of whom I thought did a great job, is that they were not allowed to offer up alternate suspects. In fact, two pretty strong ones were witnesses for the prosecution. The other Dassey brother and the guy (can't remember his name) who said they saw each other leaving to go hunt and had reportedly tried to sell a gun directly afterwards.
The judge obviously thought he was guilty and presided over the proceedings as such.
The judge obviously thought he was guilty and presided over the proceedings as such.
Posted on 12/31/15 at 9:50 am to JesusQuintana
I don't know much about court cases or lawyers since I haven't had to be involved with them hardly but I thought the defense lawyers did an unbelievable job. Both of those guys were awesome..I can see now why they cost so much ha.
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