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re: Is there scientific evidence that some people are born gay?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:31 pm to the808bass
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:31 pm to the808bass
I'll ask again: Could you ever pray so hard that you became sexually attracted to men?
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Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:32 pm to the808bass
And for the record, nobody is born gay or straight. All infants are asexual.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'll ask again: Could you ever pray so hard that you became sexually attracted to men?
It's an interesting question. I'd say no. Your question does assume that homosexual attraction is the one-to-one equivalent of heterosexual attraction. I'd disagree with that premise.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
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All infants are asexual.
Well, you'll have to duke it out with the rest of the thread on that one.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'll ask again: Could you ever pray so hard that you became sexually attracted to men?
You'd understand why this isn't an equal comparison, making this a failed point, if you could understand, but you can't understand, therefore you don't understand, which was obvious by your decision to propose the question in the first place.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
I feel Eddie disagrees.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:43 pm to Rebelgator
A disproportionate number of gay men were victims of sexual abuse.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:44 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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You'd understand why this isn't an equal comparison, making this a failed point, if you could understand, but you can't understand, therefore you don't understand, which was obvious by your decision to propose the question in the first place.
I understand that he'll say no, because heterosexuality is God's desired attraction for man and therefore he would never answer a prayer requesting a straight to gay conversion.
My question wasn't posed in an attempt to enlighten him or change his mind, rather to illustrate the convenient and self-fulfilling arguments used by those who believe like him to support their position.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:46 pm to the808bass
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It's an interesting question. I'd say no. Your question does assume that homosexual attraction is the one-to-one equivalent of heterosexual attraction. I'd disagree with that premise.
See?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
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My question wasn't posed in an attempt to enlighten him or change his mind, rather to illustrate the convenient and self-fulfilling arguments used by those who believe like him to support their position.
It's a faith argument to be sure. I wouldn't pretend otherwise. Gotcha?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:50 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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A disproportionate number of gay men were victims of sexual abuse.
This is interesting but not explanatory in and of itself. Less than half of self-identifying homosexuals report sexual abuse. So, while it is a very high number of gays reporting abuse, it doesn't account for homosexuality.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:52 pm to the808bass
My question would then be, could any discovery ever convince you otherwise?
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I understand that he'll say no, because heterosexuality is God's desired attraction for man and therefore he would never answer a prayer requesting a straight to gay conversion.
No. God's desired attractions is irrelevant in this case. The very nature of the male-female anatomy makes your question not a one-for-one equivalent.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
Convince me that homosexuality was "natural"?
Sure.
That would be a separate question from "right" theologically, of course. But I could be persuaded it occurs "naturally."
Sure.
That would be a separate question from "right" theologically, of course. But I could be persuaded it occurs "naturally."
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:56 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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A disproportionate number of gay men were victims of sexual abuse.
So do promiscuous heterosexuals, strippers, prostitutes and lower class females. Hardly seems directly correlated to any orientation in particular.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 10:58 pm to Sleeping Tiger
The fact that it isn't a one to one equivalency is irrelevant in the context of this discussion given the reasoning for God's supposed transformation.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The fact that it isn't a one to one equivalency is irrelevant in the context of this discussion given the reasoning for God's supposed transformation.
It makes the question you asked a failed attempt at making a point.
This post was edited on 9/29/14 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:01 pm to the808bass
I think it's pretty clear it occurs naturally given the number of mammals who have gay sex. Physical attraction may or May not play a role in some species, but there is a clear evolutionary basis for it regardless.
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
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So do promiscuous heterosexuals, strippers, prostitutes
Hmmm
Posted on 9/29/14 at 11:05 pm to Roger Klarvin
That's a lot of gobbledegook.
The ascribing of "sexualities" to non-humans is fraught with all sorts of difficulties which the average zoologist strives to avoid. Do animals mount same-sex animals? Sure. Are some animals "gay"? An almost impossible question. It's a convenient support for people who wish to find support. It's not a strong point. And I'd argue that our definitions of "clear" are very different given your last sentence.
The ascribing of "sexualities" to non-humans is fraught with all sorts of difficulties which the average zoologist strives to avoid. Do animals mount same-sex animals? Sure. Are some animals "gay"? An almost impossible question. It's a convenient support for people who wish to find support. It's not a strong point. And I'd argue that our definitions of "clear" are very different given your last sentence.
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