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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:41 pm to beejon
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:41 pm to beejon
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No, you attempt to silence their voice but of course that's not happening. You attack their views, attack their character and destroy their professional carrier if possible. The list I provided provides legitimate scientific disagreement with Darwinism. And the list is growing.
Really? You really think it's growing? What's the smoking gun that shows it's growing? Seems to me its shrinking by the day. No matter what your drop out preacher has told you, this opinion is merely going away and will hopefully be gone within this century.
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Not true
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Yes it is, I even explained how we know it is
You've given your view, that's all.
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Of course they are real scientists, they're just pretty much all christian with an inherent bias.
Darwinist scientists are pretty much atheists or agnostics with in inherent bias. That's why your call for a peer review is meaningless.
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However, most christian scientists still accept evolution. In 2008, a list was started that petitioned for christians in the field of biology, genetics, chemistry and geology who agreed with evolution to sign it. It got more signatures than the dissent from Darwin petition did in under a week
Again, I know of no Christian scientist who embraces the Darwinistic view of the complexity and variety of life. Maybe you could give a few names?
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Studies show that about 10% of American biologists are christians and about 90% of them accept evolution.
But not Darwinistic evolution.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
"Its why scientists dont just scream about creationists like common atheists, we scientifically debunk their claims."
I have not witnessed more petty and petulant responses than those from so called scientists who attack those that disagree with their theories
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:42 pm to beejon
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I understand the concept of similar building blocks being used to create dissimilar entities. The complexity of DNA begs for something other than random events to be present in it's creation. You believe the complexity of DNA is an accident. I don't.
You arent even talking about the same thing.
When a virus infects a cell, sometimes it injects its DNA into the hosts genome and that gets transmitted to the next cell line. If this occurs in germ cells it can be passed on. The odds of two species having identical viral DNA in the same spot on the same chromosome is infinitely small...unless it was introduced into a common ancestor.
Chimps and humans have identical viral DNA on multiple chromosomes.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:44 pm to beejon
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Darwinist scientists are pretty much atheists or agnostics with in inherent bias. That's why your call for a peer review is meaningless.
Why are your so-called "Darwinist" scientists so biased? Could you imagine the amount of money and power that would come to the people who conclusively disproved evolution? Where is the motive to keep it up? Just because you think that they are dogmatic morons like yourself? There is nothing in it for them to keep up a lie.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:45 pm to NATidefan
I am no churchgoer, although I do try to live by Christian principles....I have no answer to a question that makes a lot of assumptions
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:45 pm to mattloc
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I have not witnessed more petty and petulant responses than those from so called scientists who attack those that disagree with their theories
People use the word "theory" as if its an insult. Relativity, inertia, and even gravity are all theories, but we know that they exist. In fact we have a much better idea on how and why evolution works than we do gravity. We have no idea why gravity exists, but we do know why mutations and thus evolution exists.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:48 pm to mattloc
What assumptions does it make? And it's based only on your beliefs in what it takes to become a Christian and get into heaven.
Unless you don't know if there is a heaven.
Unless you don't know if there is a heaven.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
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You arent even talking about the same thing.
When a virus infects a cell, sometimes it injects its DNA into the hosts genome and that gets transmitted to the next cell line. If this occurs in germ cells it can be passed on. The odds of two species having identical viral DNA in the same spot on the same chromosome is infinitely small...unless it was introduced into a common ancestor.
Chimps and humans have identical viral DNA on multiple chromosomes.
First, I'm surprised you'd embrace the odds view of life. When a non Darwinist brings up odds, it's usually poo poo'd.
Tell me about this identical viral DNA, how it occurred, when it occurred, why it occurred.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:53 pm to OMLandshark
My point was that science is often times a more socially unforgiving bunch than religion...quick to ostracize a collegue with a fresh perspective.....my 7 year old wants to hit a bucket of balls....but I will return
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:56 pm to OMLandshark
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Why are your so-called "Darwinist" scientists so biased?
It's their religion. It's their philosophy of life, their embracing the view that life is ultimately meaningless.
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Could you imagine the amount of money and power that would come to the people who conclusively disproved evolution?
Thing is, Darwinistic evolution hasn't bene conclusively proven. The guesses and suppositions which are the foundation of Darwinism is simply accepted by those scientists with a particular worldview.
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Where is the motive to keep it up? Just because you think that they are dogmatic morons like yourself? There is nothing in it for them to keep up a lie.
I see as much dogmatism in atheistic Darwinism as in theistic views.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:56 pm to mattloc
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My point was that science is often times a more socially unforgiving bunch than religion...
Let's go down the checklist on funadamentalist Christians vs scientists. I think they still have the scientists beat.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 6:58 pm to mattloc
Christians literally burned scientists at the stake in the past.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:00 pm to beejon
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It's their religion. It's their philosophy of life, their embracing the view that life is ultimately meaningless.
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I see as much dogmatism in atheistic Darwinism as in theistic views.
Well, you look in the world in absolutes and don't see any subtlety to the world whatsoever. Not everyone is like you and your dogmatism, especially not 99% of scientists.
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Thing is, Darwinistic evolution hasn't bene conclusively proven. The guesses and suppositions which are the foundation of Darwinism is simply accepted by those scientists with a particular worldview.
"Microevolution" has been proven, and since that exists, its a certainty "macroevolution" exists. It's like believing in millimeters and not kilometers. Add onto the fossil record and the knowledge of how old the world is, then yes. It is a scientific fact. I know I can't appeal to your dogmatism, so I may as well be speaking to a brick wall.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:02 pm to OMLandshark
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I may as well be speaking to a brick wall.
Of course you're nothing but an example of reason, intelligence, tolerance and courtesy, right? No brick wall in your views?
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:06 pm to beejon
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Again, I know of no Christian scientist who embraces the Darwinistic view of the complexity and variety of life. Maybe you could give a few names?
Absolutely, glad you asked.
Francis Collins
Kenneth Miller (And just about every other catholic scientist)
Louis Leakey
Francisco Ayala
John Polkinghome
John Barrow
William Phillips
Martin Nowak
Ian Hutchinson
Ard Louis
Owen Gingerich
Karl Giberson
Michael Zimmerman
etc.
Here's an article where Ayala explains how he sees no conflict with Darwinism and Christianity:
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While not scientists, the last four popes have all embraced Darwinism and the church accepts it as sound science. Cardinals and bishops routinely speak out against intelligent design as unscientific.
In essence, the scientists who oppose evolution are all evangelicals and protestants.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:09 pm to beejon
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Darwinist scientists are pretty much atheists or agnostics with in inherent bias.
Also, this is a myth. When you combine Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Hindus (lots of Hindu scientists), etc. they make up about 40% of scientists in the world. When you throw in deists, those who believe in a higher power but not one that interacts with us, that number goes up to nearly half.
So only about half of the scientists in the world are atheists or agnostics.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:10 pm to beejon
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Of course you're nothing but an example of reason, intelligence, tolerance and courtesy, right? No brick wall in your views?
Tolerance, no. The other 3, yeah, I think so. I'm certainly curious, and if you have any other evidence (particularly peer reviewed) besides your usual "Darwinism" bullshite, I'll listen, but you haven't put forth a single new thought on these boards in years.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:18 pm to beejon
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When a non Darwinist brings up odds, it's usually poo poo'd
That's because most people, including many mathematicians, don't understand how to apply math when it comes to science.
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Tell me about this identical viral DNA, how it occurred, when it occurred, why it occurred.
Chimps and humans are distant cousins who had a common ancestor about 5 million years ago, we'll call it species X.
Now lets say a lysogenic virus infects X and some of the virions infect its germ cells (sperm or egg precursors). They incorporate their viral DNA into the host cells chromosomes at random locations. The cell, for a multitude of possible reasons, resists viral replication and survives but the DNA persists in its genome. This cell matures, becomes a sperm or egg and ends up passing this viral DNA onto the next generation. The DNA serves no functional purpose in X or its ancestors but it continues to persist.
Now, most of the time after enough generations mutations will alter this DNA but every now and then, it persists unchanged for thousands and thousands of generations.
This is why chimps and humans have some segments of identical, nonfunctional viral DNA in the same spots across our genome, because they were introduced in our last common ancestor.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 7:21 pm to beejon
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It's their religion. It's their philosophy of life, their embracing the view that life is ultimately meaningless.
I doubt Pope Francis thinks life is meaningless, and yet he believes that you, me and everyone else came from one single cell billions of years ago.
Evolution isn't a religion, it isn't a philosophy, it's the science of our past. That's it. It's the mechanism by which life arose.
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