re: How Mjnorities can gain their "privilege"

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Black guy is likely able to shoot the shite with the owner quicker and easier and thus form a bond because he is from the same culture

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That's life and business, and I don't blame it on "black privilege". Same as if I'm competing for a job against a white guy and he is able to do the same thing. It's up to me to do a better job in relating to someone, if that's what is holding me back.

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Keep your scenario, but make the guy hiring, a black guy. Think it will still be a 6/10 ratio the white guy is hired?

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Probably not, honestly it doesn't only depend on hiring manager, but also culture of the company - who is more likely to fit in with less problems and less risk of not working out which results in lost revenue due to training & replacement costs.

Which is why I made my earlier point about hiring managers and economic majority and some such.

I'm sure you will disagree, but I've made my point as well as I am going to I believe.

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Eddie's pointing out that whites are the majority in this country, and white people have some advantages because of that.

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And I'm showing that it's a bogus argument. That all people are equal and it's their own actions that dictate whether they achieve. Not the color of their skin. As I stated, I work in predominately black areas, where there are black folks able to do the same thing I do. But I am doing work for people, because of the way I interact and for the job that I do and the way I present myself to my customers. I EARNED it. I wasn't given it because of my color and "black privileged" workers didn't get those jobs, because of their advantage of being black.

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is not the same thing as saying he has some degree of privilege due to his skin color. And is not what I have been saying.

If the only privilege he has is due to his skin color, he little overall privilege and wouldn't make it into the "privileged" status.

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That privilege is negligible if they're poor -- they don't receive anything more. Poor whites get arrested at just about the same rate as any other race.

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You don't understand how whites who come from nothing get offended when people want to tell them they come from privilege because of their skin color?

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My dad was a white dude(well half Mexican, but basically white) from Wewoka, Oklahoma. He came from nothing. Have you ever been to Wewoka, Oklahoma?

I don't think he's offended that he had an advantage over a black person coming from the same beginnings. His hard work still got him where he is. Being white didn't drag him out of nothing. He did. It was simply easier because he wasn't black.

I don't see why people have a problem seeing that.

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My dad was a white dude(well half Mexican, but basically white) from Wewoka, Oklahoma. He came from nothing. Have you ever been to Wewoka, Oklahoma?

I don't think he's offended that he had an advantage over a black person coming from the same beginnings. His hard work still got him where he is. Being white didn't drag him out of nothing. He did. It was simply easier because he wasn't black.

I don't see why people have a problem seeing that.

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So it's other-than-black privilege. Got it.

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I don't see why people have a problem seeing that

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Because it's not 1960. I'm 43 yrs old and the people I grew up with and around didn't force people to drink from different fountains. Believe it or not, we actually respected people different from ourselves. If someone is up to the task, they get preference over someone who isn't. It has nothing to do with race.

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One of my best friends in high school was black and I saw the benefit of the doubt I was given over him all the time. A lot of times it was really subtle, but it was there

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When I was 22, I interviewed with the Jeff Co Sheriff's office. I had already completed APOST certification. I was all but told a position was open for me. A week later, I received a call saying not this time. Why? A minority had to be hired instead to meet a quota. Even though I was qualified better and had already completed training, I lost the position. It was not so subtle, the privilege a black person got in this instance. It wasn't a barrier to me succeeding in life either, but it was there.

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When I was 22, I interviewed with the Jeff Co Sheriff's office. I had already completed APOST certification. I was all but told a position was open for me. A week later, I received a call saying not this time. Why? A minority had to be hired instead to meet a quota. Even though I was qualified better and had already completed training, I lost the position. It was not so subtle, the privilege a black person got in this instance. It wasn't a barrier to me succeeding in life either, but it was there.

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Your story, while a great example of why I disagree with racial quotas and affirmative action, doesn't mean that inherent advantages exist for whites don't exist.

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I think the difference is(and I believe it was Tbird that pointed it out several pages ago) is black people have to live with it everyday

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Job quotas exist today still. So whites have to "deal with it" every day.

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Being white, it's not something you or I can understand.

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But only from one perspective. It can be understood to say that it exists though and unfair, right?

Nobody can be held back because of their race in today's world, unless they choose to be. It's that simple. It's what one chooses to do after a setback that defines them. Caving into failure and blaming it on race defines the person, not their race, just as overcoming it and achieving defines those people, not their race.

I'm sorry, but I don't and never will buy into the mantra that someone can't be a success because of the color of their skin. To me, that shows true bigotry and infers those people are less than what they are.