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re: How Mjnorities can gain their "privilege"
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:27 am to cokebottleag
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:27 am to cokebottleag
An addendum, paraphrasing Toure, who would hate virtually everyone here.
Being black is not about the clothes you wear. Telling people that they are "acting white" by dressing nicely or not speaking Ebonics is stupid. Black in America runs the whole spectrum of wealth, and to pidgeonhole blacks into a single ghetto culture is not only racist but completely repulsive. Just because someone is from the ghetto and wears saggy clothes with tattoos or whatever does not make them more black. It just makes them poor.
Being black is not about the clothes you wear. Telling people that they are "acting white" by dressing nicely or not speaking Ebonics is stupid. Black in America runs the whole spectrum of wealth, and to pidgeonhole blacks into a single ghetto culture is not only racist but completely repulsive. Just because someone is from the ghetto and wears saggy clothes with tattoos or whatever does not make them more black. It just makes them poor.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:31 am to Roger Klarvin
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I dont know why some white people are so offended by the concept of white privilege. Im white, largely conservative on all but a few social issues and have no problem acknowledging that there are things in this world that I dont have to even give a second thought which actively effect minorities at times.
Agreed. I'm super thankful I came from an affluent area, around people that had their shite together. It sucks that some white people want to play the victim card. The people that think the "white Christian male is the most discriminated against group in America" make me want to vomit. How ignorant and unappreciative can you be?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:32 am to TeLeFaWx
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Agreed. I'm super thankful I came from an affluent area, around people that had their shite together. It sucks that some white people want to play the victim card. The people that think the "white Christian male is the most discriminated against group in America" make me want to vomit. How ignorant and unappreciative can you be?
Is this a notation that if you were black and born in the same area you wouldn't have lived the same life?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:32 am to 3nOut
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This thread is always the lone disagreement I ever have with TBird.
I don't like it.
I agree with my soul mate/best friend wholeheartedly on this. Come to the light. It's nice over here.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:33 am to TeLeFaWx
You don't understand how whites who come from nothing get offended when people want to tell them they come from privilege because of their skin color?
Really??
Really??
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:34 am to cokebottleag
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An addendum, paraphrasing Toure, who would hate virtually everyone here.
Touré is a huge supporter of the idea of white privilege. And a race batter.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:34 am to the808bass
Of course he is. Like I said, he'd hate everyone here, minus tbird.
I'm paraphrasing a book of his I read, as well as some articles. He despises people who accuse blacks who dress well or come from wealth as "not black enough" or acting white.
I'm paraphrasing a book of his I read, as well as some articles. He despises people who accuse blacks who dress well or come from wealth as "not black enough" or acting white.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:36 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:35 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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Again it is due to majority, majority exhibits power, will and influence. In the end, it still means all else being equal, born white is better than born minority in this country. - i don't like the word better, I will say easier - generally speaking.
Then in cities that are predominately black and ruled by blacks, such as Birmingham, Bessemer, Brighton... or counties that are predominately black, such as Dallas, Perry, Montgomery.. etc.. there exists "black privilege", right?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:36 am to TeLeFaWx
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The people that think the "white Christian male is the most discriminated against group in America" make me want to vomit.
I haven't seen that be the dominant theme (or secondary, or tertiary theme) of this discussion. It does seem to make your point look artificially better if people were arguing that, so we'll put it in the strawman category. Thanks for dropping in.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:37 am to cokebottleag
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You don't understand how whites who come from nothing get offended when people want to tell them they come from privilege because of their skin color?
This right here. 1,000% this.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:38 am to Alahunter
I would say there is defiantly "Cuban privilege" in Miami. It's pretty stark.
Why isn't it present in Memphis?
Why isn't it present in Memphis?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:39 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
your selective bolding is not effective. They will get the same consideration due to their wealth and status.
yes, in that they have a chance. White people have the advantage of being in the majority
I said generally speaking way too many times to try and get that to come across.
i was just trying to use your terms. Perhaps majority privilege would make you feel better. But since whites are the majority in the end in this country it ends in the same thing - being born white - generally speaking, is easier relative to being born in the minority. No matter the degree.
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A poor fricking white person has just as much of a chance to succeed or fail as a poor black person. You refute yourself every single time.
yes, in that they have a chance. White people have the advantage of being in the majority
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And Privileged Location goes all over the place -- I defy you to go to Laredo, Texas and talk about white privilege.
I said generally speaking way too many times to try and get that to come across.
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Your location will dictate your status regardless of being white.
Your wealth will dictate your status regardless of being white.
White privilege is just a way to discount what a white person says -- even if he has been a minority before and has more experience. It's racism in the guise of academia.
i was just trying to use your terms. Perhaps majority privilege would make you feel better. But since whites are the majority in the end in this country it ends in the same thing - being born white - generally speaking, is easier relative to being born in the minority. No matter the degree.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:40 am to cokebottleag
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Like I said, he'd hate everyone here, minus tbird.
I don't think he'd like Tbird all that much either. He doesn't take well to criticisms of the current president (unless he's doing the criticizing).
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:42 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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White people have the advantage of being in the majority
I suspect you are as clueless of the obstacles poor white people face as white people are of the obstacles you face.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:43 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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yes, in that they have a chance. White people have the advantage of being in the majority
This is ridiculous. People don't just get automatically knighted and whited when they come into a room for having light-colored skin.
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I said generally speaking way too many times to try and get that to come across.
I'll end it here.
White privilege exists where whites are the majority otherwise it doesn't happen.
So is it white privilege, or cultured privilege?
Do blacks not also have privilege when the majority?
And if it's dependent on being the general majority, shouldn't you maintain this privilege when entering a black neighborhood, university or town?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:43 am to Alahunter
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Then in cities that are predominately black and ruled by blacks, such as Birmingham, Bessemer, Brighton... or counties that are predominately black, such as Dallas, Perry, Montgomery.. etc.. there exists "black privilege", right?
probably the case in some government offices, and more applicable to poor rural counties - but yes in a sense that is correct more socially though.
However the economic majority is what really rules. And in my experience, upper management and those in hiring power seem to trend towards white.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:43 am to cokebottleag
Here's the thing. It's 2014 and this country has over 200 million people in it. NOBODY can be held back or fail to achieve goals, unless they don't wish to have goals to aspire to. Even if there is some "perceived bias", that holds an individual back at any given point in their life, their is more than ample opportunity to take a different direction to move ahead. The problem, is that it's easier to listen to Gov't types, and so-called "leaders" of their race and blame others for their own shortcomings. The only thing holding any race back in this country is the policies of Gov't that tell them, they don't have to earn something and that they are "entitled" to certain things, strictly because of their race. IMHO, this enslaves people and does more to create the class problems and race problems in this country. They reward laziness and irresponsibility and in return, they keep power in those districts.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:47 am to cokebottleag
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Why isn't it present in Memphis?
Yeah, I still don't feel like I am at a disadvantage being white in this city.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:47 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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And in my experience, upper management and those in hiring power seem to trend towards white
And is it whiteness that gets them there? Or is it the ability to communicate, work ethic, willingness to sacrifice that does more for their achievement?
You used a music example in a hiring practice earlier. What if the hiring person was black. Who would be hired then?
There is ample opportunity to be successful in the U.S.. No matter what color you are, no matter your birth circumstances. It boils down to how willing someone is to work for it and sacrifice for it. And their ability to make wise decisions. It's that simple. Elbow grease and decision making is what makes people successful or failures. It has nothing to do with their skin color. Attitude and work ethic.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:48 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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This is ridiculous. People don't just get automatically knighted and whited when they come into a room for having light-colored skin.
yes because that is what I said completely. I've explained how people naturally gravitate towards people similar to them.
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So is it white privilege, or cultured privilege?
I said it was majority privilege. but since it is white majority in essence it is the same.
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Do blacks not also have privilege when the majority?
yes they do, everyone does
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And if it's dependent on being the general majority, shouldn't you maintain this privilege when entering a black neighborhood, university or town?
generally speaking meant when viewed in a broad sense. Blacks have a social majority when entering a black neighborhood, university or town - yes. Those are specific social examples. Blacks would also have an advantage in attempting to attain employment at a predominately black business.
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