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Posted by Armymann50
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Today in History August 13

1521 Hernan Cortes captures the city of Tenochtitlan, Mexico, and sets it on fire.

1889 The first coin-operated telephone is patented by William Gray.

1948 During the Berlin Airlift, the weather over Berlin becomes so stormy that American planes have their most difficult day landing supplies. They deem it ‘Black Friday.’

1961 Construction begins on Berlin Wall during the night.

1963 A 17 year-old Buddhist monk burns himself to death in Saigon, South Vietnam.

1993 US Court of Appeals rules Congress must save all emails.

2020 Israel strikes historic deal with the United Arab Emirates to normalize relations, Israel suspends plans to annex parts of the occupied West Bank

Born on August 13

1930 Don Ho, Hawaii's best-known musician and singer ("Tiny Bubbles").

Joke of the Day

A guy is late for an important meeting.

But he can't find a place to park. In desperation, he begins to pray. "Please Lord, if you help me find a parking stall right now, I promise to go to church every Sunday and never drink vodka again!" A moment later, he sees a beautiful empty spot right next to the entrance. "Never mind. Found one!"



Posted by Arksulli
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:01 pm to
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1521 Hernan Cortes captures the city of Tenochtitlan, Mexico, and sets it on fire.



Mexico (the Aztecs) had a lot going against them.

It turns out attacking your neighbors every year, sacrificing the prisoners you take in gruesome ways, and stealing everything that isn't nailed down is not a good way to endear yourselves to folks.

Add to that the leadership continued to believe that the Spanish were divine messengers even after evidence to the contrary was made crystal clear.

Finally, you know all those movies where a guy in heavy steel armor is easily killed by a dude with a stick? Yeah. That's as so much fart gas. Steel armor is damn effective in melee combat. The Spanish didn't defeat the Aztecs in combat, they butchered them.
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:07 pm to
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attacking your neighbors, sacrificing prisoners in gruesome ways, and stealing everything that isn't nailed down

But I was told that indigenous native tribes lived in a peaceful utopia until those mean colonists arrived.

Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:11 pm to

and they had all these wonderful dyes


That would have made 'The Village Peoples' proud..
Posted by Arksulli
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 4:38 pm to
The Aztecs manage to edge out Sparta as the most vile "ancient" style civilization of all time and that takes a lot of work.

Native American tribes in the US and Canada, while engaging in a certain amount of warfare, were much more peaceful than... well... Europeans.

Until coal and steel came about Europeans were fighting over very limited resources in terrain that resisted swift conquests. You had a lot of rabid rats in a very small cage. Like any society in a place with limited resources we were warlike AF.

Until European diseases wiped them out, even the large Eastern tribes in North America had an embarrassment of natural resources to work with. Hence the early descriptions of NA people being vastly superior physical specimens.

There was certainly wars over prime territory but, for the most part, they were living on easy mode in North America.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 4:56 pm to
it terrifies me how one human being can slowly torture another human being to death


I mean, I did love the movie Law Abiding Citizen, and I admit I loved the protagonist slowing taking that frick apart who had tortured and raped and murdered his wife and baby girl in the movie


even still, most revenge movies that I love (and I do love them), the bad guys are usually dead in a matter of moments, not prolonged torture.


frick this Satan world




ETA: I read Miranda Twiss' The Most Evil People in History and it gave me nightmares.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 5:00 pm
Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 4:58 pm to
Fascinating that the wooden club directly resembles a femur, which means that sometime in the past...

Also, that macuahuitl looks like it would frick you up.

Posted by paperwasp
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 5:07 pm to
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early descriptions of NA people being vastly superior physical specimens

If smallpox and other diseases hadn’t played such a devastating role, do you think the cultural and military dynamics could have unfolded differently?

Or were the Europeans (conquistadors, et al) just too powerful?
Posted by Arksulli
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 6:08 pm to
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If smallpox and other diseases hadn’t played such a devastating role, do you think the cultural and military dynamics could have unfolded differently?

Or were the Europeans (conquistadors, et al) just too powerful?


A perfect storm. A vast tech disadvantage. An unending stream of new settlers. Finally a plague that makes the Biblical stuff seem like a warm summer's kiss.

Also, there was a societal issue. Stone age tribes were built on the very reasonable, "the bigger tribe wins." They were happy to absorb settlers whose colonies failed. The real "super secret squirrel" fate of the Roanoke colony was the local tribes took them in.

Europeans, on the other hand, were perfectly fine with total war. As an ethnic group we are perfectly willing to go all in on conquering a strip of land the Native Americans wouldn't notice. I present the current war in Ukraine where whatever Russia gets isn't worth the price they've paid so far.

They started to adapt, the tribes were not stupid, but the US was so perfect for human settlement there was never an end of settlers. Canada and South America... there were huge stretches of land settlers did not care for thank you very much.

What really doomed the US tribes is... the US is playing on easy mode. Most of the country was desirable land.
Posted by OK Roughneck
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Posted on 8/13/25 at 7:42 pm to
Evening All
Posted by Rockbrc
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 3:52 am to
Good morning
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 5:08 am to
Morning all
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 5:09 am to
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Evening All

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7:42 PM


Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 6:17 am to
Morning
Posted by OK Roughneck
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Posted on 8/14/25 at 11:14 pm to

Late Evening All

Busy day. Baled 98 more round bales and that brings my total up to 731 for the year. Now I can put all of my hay equipment up till next spring.

Posted by Rockbrc
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 12:09 am to
That’s got to feel like an accomplishment
Posted by awestruck
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:34 am to
Sounds like this celebration

“The day of the breaking of the ax.” When the Holy Temple stood in Jerusalem, the annual cutting of firewood for the altar was concluded on the 15th of Av. The event was celebrated with feasting and rejoicing (as is the custom upon the conclusion of a holy endeavor), and included a ceremonial breaking of the axes, which gave the day its name.

15th of Av (Tu B'Av)

This was the day the annual allotment of firewood was to completed.

And oh so close: The 15th of Av in 2025, known as Tu B'Av, will begin at sunset on August 8 and end at nightfall on August 9.

Good-morning and congrats
Posted by Rockbrc
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:00 am to
Good morning
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:03 am to
Morning all
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:05 am to
quote:

Baled 98 more round bales and that brings my total up to 731 for the year.


And that's enough to last all winter?

quote:

Now I can put all of my hay equipment up till next spring.


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