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re: Do you ever question religion?
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:22 am to DynastyDawg
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:22 am to DynastyDawg
The post assumes a literal interpretation of the story too. We can get into all kinds of debates about regional flooding and what not.
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Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:29 am to Roger Klarvin
I assumed as such.
Which brings about a completely different debate about how the Bible as a whole should be interpreted.
I do not think you can interpret it literally. Just like the example another poster used about the time it took for creation, what time is like in Heaven, all those things point toward us never fully understanding until we reach Heaven, when and if.
Which brings about a completely different debate about how the Bible as a whole should be interpreted.
I do not think you can interpret it literally. Just like the example another poster used about the time it took for creation, what time is like in Heaven, all those things point toward us never fully understanding until we reach Heaven, when and if.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:29 am to dallastiger55
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Do you ever question religion?
Every time I visit my baby's grave.
And then I get pissed as frick bc it makes no sense to me why it had to be that way...this internal rage that I can't even explain.
If I do make it to Heaven, if it's there, my first and only question to whatever higher power there is will be "WHY?"
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:29 am to dallastiger55
This is soooooooo last week. This is Race Week. Didn't you get the memo?
That's the Devil talking to you. Do you really want there to be life or our existence without God? Pretty fricking meaningless.
That's the Devil talking to you. Do you really want there to be life or our existence without God? Pretty fricking meaningless.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:32 am to wmr
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I've been going to church lately, but that is the feeling it always gives me. Everybody is so "light-hearted and happy" there and it makes me uncomfortable. Never baptized here, but curious about faith and realize that I believe in God....I think.
sort of off subject but your post made it pop in my head. i don't go to church but a few times a year but i am a believer. anyway, i love church music- the end of criminal minds the other night had a nice version of amazing grace and i had to go back and listen to it about 3 times. i never listen to gospel but real church songs really move me and i think that's why i know i still believe even if i don't necessarily agree with every aspect of a particular religion.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:33 am to Carolina_Girl
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If I do make it to Heaven, if it's there, my first and only question to whatever higher power there is will be "WHY?"
shite. This general thing is something I have struggled with since my father passed away.
It says there will be no pain and suffering, etc. etc. What if someone was to get there and a loved one didn't make it? Are we assuming we just completely forget those people ever existed? Are we allowed to ask questions that may bring upon pain and suffering or are the memories completely wiped away?
It is a very real burden.
Disclaimer: I fully expect Pops is there. I worry about myself more than him.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:33 am to dallastiger55
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Well last month we had the conversation of tithing and our Sunday school talked about how important it was to tithe and give 10% to God.
It might make me a bad Christian but that just makes me feel weird. They were quoting verses saying how God says to give to him and all of our money is gods money and we should be lucky he's only asking for 10%
Just doesn't set right with me
like said before me, a lot of churches and organizations have corrupted it. so naturally, giving my money to a big organization just feels unsettling and weird.
the way i avoid feeling weird/unsettled about tithing is this: i have a couple of friends who are missionaries and i give directly to them, so i know that all of the money is put to good use and nothing is lost along the way. i also have a good friend who runs an on campus ministry that specifically targets international students who come to the school. so i feel better about giving to the people i know personally
just my two cents. pun intended
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:53 am to DownSouthJukin
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Do you really want there to be life or our existence without God? Pretty fricking meaningless.
Wanting something still doesn't make it true. I can honestly say I'm happier since I decided for myself that there is no God. I live and appreciate every day. I enjoy life now more than ever knowing this is all i get.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 11:53 am to dallastiger55
I question it all the time and have flipped flopped between being a believer and not, but I'm pretty well settled in believing camp these days.
I don't know how anyone could rule out the possibility completely. There are theories about multiverses, parallel universes, whether our universe is a simulation like the matrix, and so forth. These all sound like preposterous pseudoscience, and unprovable because they exist outside of the observable universe, but they are plausible explanations for the weird things we observe in reality like superpositions and entanglement. Even though it is not the traditional God, a computer simulation would at least imply some force outside the observable universe initiating our existence. Whatever the case may be, I think the nature of reality will be found to be just as weird if not weirder than any of those things.
I don't know how anyone could rule out the possibility completely. There are theories about multiverses, parallel universes, whether our universe is a simulation like the matrix, and so forth. These all sound like preposterous pseudoscience, and unprovable because they exist outside of the observable universe, but they are plausible explanations for the weird things we observe in reality like superpositions and entanglement. Even though it is not the traditional God, a computer simulation would at least imply some force outside the observable universe initiating our existence. Whatever the case may be, I think the nature of reality will be found to be just as weird if not weirder than any of those things.
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Posted on 10/23/15 at 12:01 pm to BABAR
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Wanting something still doesn't make it true. I can honestly say I'm happier since I decided for myself that there is no God. I live and appreciate every day. I enjoy life now more than ever knowing this is all i get.
I'm sure life on earth unrestrained by morality is great. Live it up. Now... what if?
Posted on 10/23/15 at 12:12 pm to Carolina_Girl
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Every time I visit my baby's grave.
And then I get pissed as frick bc it makes no sense to me why it had to be that way...this internal rage that I can't even explain.
If I do make it to Heaven, if it's there, my first and only question to whatever higher power there is will be "WHY?"
I don't think there is a heaven or a hell. Existence is fleeting. We experience our brief moment of life, and then it's done. I believe that the reasons for most things are, "it's just the way it is". The inevitable consequences of our fragile existence. I have never lost a child, so I can't speak to your pain, and I don't know if that would change how I view the world, but my view of the afterlife has always helped me believe that tragedy isn't a vehicle of divine intervention. They is no God pulling the strings to make things good or bad. God set the clock and lets it run. Which may be a tragedy all on it's own.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 12:29 pm to DynastyDawg
I lost a cousin to leukemia. He was only 8 months when he died. Went through horrible pain and suffering that no human, much less an infant, should ever justifiably go through.
I've heard people say there was "a reason for it" and "it was gods will". I just can't believe that there's any justification for what he went through
I've heard people say there was "a reason for it" and "it was gods will". I just can't believe that there's any justification for what he went through
Posted on 10/23/15 at 12:51 pm to dallastiger55
quote:Do you believe all articles you read? The earth is not 14 billions years old.
I read articles about how earth is 14 billion years old and how humans have been around for thousands of thousands of years
Posted on 10/23/15 at 12:54 pm to applejacked
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Do you believe all articles you read? The earth is not 14 billions years old.
The Earth is 4.54 billion years old.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 1:01 pm to dallastiger55
I find most religions trivialize God.
They say that God is the creator of the Universe, and is beyond space and time. To be beyond space and time allows God to be everywhere at the same time. To God everything happens simultaneously everywhere.
But then they say "God changed". That's contradictory to God being beyond space and time. It shows a bronze-age misperception of what time and space really are.
If God truly is a trans-dimensional entity, God doesn't change, wait, think, speak... These are all things done by biological entities trapped by the 4 dimensions of space-time. When you perceive all of the universe and time instantaneously, you don't have to 'think'. You don't have to be 'intelligent', like some 'smart' dog.
God is a hell of a lot more 'sophisticated' than man can ever perceive - until he can free himself from space-time.
And perhaps some people have found a way to do just that. All I know is I haven't.
Yet.
They say that God is the creator of the Universe, and is beyond space and time. To be beyond space and time allows God to be everywhere at the same time. To God everything happens simultaneously everywhere.
But then they say "God changed". That's contradictory to God being beyond space and time. It shows a bronze-age misperception of what time and space really are.
If God truly is a trans-dimensional entity, God doesn't change, wait, think, speak... These are all things done by biological entities trapped by the 4 dimensions of space-time. When you perceive all of the universe and time instantaneously, you don't have to 'think'. You don't have to be 'intelligent', like some 'smart' dog.
God is a hell of a lot more 'sophisticated' than man can ever perceive - until he can free himself from space-time.
And perhaps some people have found a way to do just that. All I know is I haven't.
Yet.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 1:14 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But then they say "God changed".
Who is they?
Posted on 10/23/15 at 1:14 pm to dallastiger55
Ask me today and I might say something different than I would tomorrow.
So, yes. It can be overwhelming too.
So, yes. It can be overwhelming too.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 1:25 pm to dallastiger55
Question it every day of my life. I always come back to it though.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 1:35 pm to Wtodd
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But then they say "God changed".
Who is they?
Anyone that says God changed.
Duh.
But he does seem like a totally different entity from the Old T. to the New T. I've been told it was because he had a Son - but it turns out it was really just God again.
Posted on 10/23/15 at 1:49 pm to DownSouthJukin
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I'm sure life on earth unrestrained by morality is great. Live it up. Now... what if?
Why do you assume I'm not moral? I'm one of the most honest moral people you will ever meet, but my religious beliefs are hidden deep in the closet because people like you think that morality comes from religion.
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