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re: Cop arrests nurse b/c she refused to violate hospital policy *update in OP*
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:07 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:07 pm to JustGetItRight
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People would save themselves a lot of pain if they'd follow this simple bit of advice.
Even if you're right, fight with an officer in the field and you will lose every single time.
Go peacefully and you'll still get your check but you won't have to let the bruises heal or get the stitches taken out before you can spend it.
Usually that's the best advice, but always take care to pay attention to the context. There are some people in positions of authority -- I phrase it thusly because its an authority problem, not a cop problem...cops are just the most visible and, well, armed examples of abusing authority -- that have no compunction about harming you, putting you into an untenable situation, and, yes, testifying in court that you didn't resist so you clearly agreed with what was happening. Unlike some, I don't claim to know a lot of people harmed by bad cops, but I do know a couple and one ended up with a broken wrist and a concussion for 'resisting.' Anyone who knew him knew damned well he would never have done that. He was actually kind of a pussy, God love him. Super nice guy, though.
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:09 pm to Evolved Simian
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This guys family is going to sue the shite out of the police over the reckless chase. They wanted blood hoping that he'd test positive for alcohol or narcotics to hopefully compromise his civil suit.
The irony is, had they anything resembling PC, they didn't even need to draw it themselves. A defense attorney could argue contamination, but the fact remains that somebody that badly injured would have had his blood drawn by the hospital and tested at some point. They could have just gotten a warrant for that.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 3:48 pm to randomways
Why were they they trying to test his blood in the first place? He was the victim hit by the criminal fleeing from the police. Maybe because he had cdl's
The irony is the victim here was also a cop...
The irony is the victim here was also a cop...
Posted on 9/8/17 at 4:52 pm to NYCAuburn
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Why were they they trying to test his blood in the first place? He was the victim hit by the criminal fleeing from the police. Maybe because he had cdl's
The irony is the victim here was also a cop...
I suspect the person I quoted has the right of it. I also suspect they will claim it was to clear that person of any culpability in the crash, which is rational argument -- that is, you'd have difficulty disproving it purely on logic terms in much the same way you can't disprove someone's "I'm not touching you!" attempts to annoy you -- but not a believable one because of the extremes they went to, including breaking the law, to force the hospital and nurse to let them draw blood.
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:33 pm to JustGetItRight
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Go peacefully and you'll still get your check but you won't have to let the bruises heal or get the stitches taken out before you can spend it.
That is horseshite. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong and the cop was interfering with her duties and risking the safety of the patient. She did exactly what she should have done. No law enforcement in this country has the right to just walk into you place of employment and harass you. The nurses salary is triple what this fricks probably is and her licensure I guarentee you is more important to her than letting some thug-arse cop try to come between you and the execution of her duties.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 9:42 pm to randomways
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Anyone who knew him knew damned well he would never have done that. He was actually kind of a pussy, God love him. Super nice guy, though.
This post was edited on 9/8/17 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:01 pm to MaroonNation
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He chose to be a cop because he's a pussy.
You need to re-read. The friend in question was the one harmed by a cop under the pretense that he was 'resisting.' Nobody who knew him believed it. The D.A. chose not to press charges, though he never actually told my friend why he wasn't pressing charges. I like to think it's because the cop was a known shitwhistle and that would have come up in court.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 10:54 pm to randomways
Oh my bad
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Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:29 pm to MaroonNation
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That is horse shite. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong and the cop was interfering with her duties and risking the safety of the patient. She did exactly what she should have done. No law enforcement in this country has the right to just walk into you place of employment and harass you. The nurses salary is triple what this fricks probably is and her licensure I guarentee you is more important to her than letting some thug-arse cop try to come between you and the execution of her duties.
I guess reading comprehension is hard for you so I'll type s l o w l y so you can try to keep up.
Here is a newsflash for you. I am an EMT and fully understand her position. She was right to refuse the blood draw. What we are discussing is what happened from the moment the officer said he was arresting her. She went semi-nuts. When a cop decides to arrest you, you are damned well better served to go quietly and sort it out in another venue because one way or another you are getting arrested. Taking any course of action aside from going quietly will at best leave you bruised, battered, and possibly damage your civil claim. At worst, it could leave the decision about pursuing a civil claim up to your estate - but I'm sure they would use some of the money to buy you a really nice headstone.
Posted on 9/8/17 at 11:53 pm to JustGetItRight
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Here is a newsflash for you. I am an EMT and fully understand her position. She was right to refuse the blood draw. What we are discussing is what happened from the moment the officer said he was arresting her. She went semi-nuts. When a cop decides to arrest you, you are damned well better served to go quietly and sort it out in another venue because one way or another you are getting arrested. Taking any course of action aside from going quietly will at best leave you bruised, battered, and possibly damage your civil claim. At worst, it could leave the decision about pursuing a civil claim up to your estate - but I'm sure they would use some of the money to buy you a really nice headstone.
I get where you're coming from, but nowadays, in a setting that public with that many cameras running? Struggling made the arrest look even worse for the cop. I bet the outrage wouldn't be anywhere near the current levels without the public watching the cop manhandle a nurse out the hospital doors. The viewer's reaction is much more visceral than it would be with a calm and orderly process. I bet that cop wouldn't even be on paid leave had the nurse not reacted that way. Made him look like a thug in addition to a lawbreaker.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 8:21 am to JustGetItRight
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When a cop decides to arrest you, you are damned well better served to go quietly and sort it out in another venue because one way or another you are getting arrested. Taking any course of action aside from going quietly will at best leave you bruised, battered, and possibly damage your civil claim.
This reads EXACTLY like shite you'd say to a rape victim, congrats.
This post was edited on 9/9/17 at 8:22 am
Posted on 9/9/17 at 9:08 am to JustGetItRight
Let me type this slowly for you gump. Had she done that she would have been basically stating that she agreed with the reason she was being arrested. Last I checked we aren't under Marshall Law. If a person is under threat of being detained illegally, which she was, she has every right to resist.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 1:23 pm to Dr RC
That cop should be in jail. Idiot.
Posted on 9/9/17 at 11:07 pm to MaroonNation
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Let me type this slowly for you gump. Had she done that she would have been basically stating that she agreed with the reason she was being arrested. Last I checked we aren't under Marshall Law. If a person is under threat of being detained illegally, which she was, she has every right to resist.
Tell you what. Go find a criminal defense lawyer and ask them what they say you should do.
Come back and post what they say.
Here's a clue. You won't like their answer.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 10:03 am to JustGetItRight
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Tell you what. Go find a criminal defense lawyer and ask them what they say you should do.
Come back and post what they say.
Here's a clue. You won't like their answer.
I talked to one in Indiana, where use of force vs an officer is legally allowable. He also said not take legal advice from an emt...
Posted on 9/11/17 at 5:01 am to MoarKilometers
Yep. The assertion that you should go willingly is Hollywood bullshite. A cop has no right to bust into my house or place of buisness to detain me if I have done nothing wrong. If they did they will buy a bullet the same as anyone else. Not resisting illegal detainment makes you a pussy and a pathetic American.
Now if I am breaking the law I lose any right to resist detainment.
Now if I am breaking the law I lose any right to resist detainment.
This post was edited on 9/11/17 at 5:15 am
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