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re: America Is Not For Black People
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:26 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:26 pm to JustGetItRight
ah, i don't remember what post of mine you were referring to, but that question has a very complicated answer and I didn't ever intend to imply that it was simply poverty.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:31 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
You made a one word post that said "poverty". I didn't check to who's post you were replying but I assumed it was related to the crime rate.
Anyhow, I wasn't singling you out. Lots of people use poverty/economics as a catch all excuse. I simply used your post because it was one word long and thus very easy to quote.
Anyhow, I wasn't singling you out. Lots of people use poverty/economics as a catch all excuse. I simply used your post because it was one word long and thus very easy to quote.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 2:43 pm to sorantable
If I could afford to get my kids out of fricking government run schools, I would in 2 seconds. So would anybody.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:41 pm to Pavoloco83
Government-run schools work just fine in most communities.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:42 pm to Pavoloco83
Let's also not fail to mention that this America that is somehow not for black people has a black President, black Attorney General, a black Supreme Court Justice, etc.
We have also had a black Secretary of Defense, black Joint Chief of Staff, black Senators and black Representatives. Some of our highest paid and most influential educators, entertainers, athletes, ministers, journalists, police commissioners, commentators, and entrepreneurs, etc., are also black.
I don't know, just thought this obscure knowledge should be part of the conversation somehow.
We have also had a black Secretary of Defense, black Joint Chief of Staff, black Senators and black Representatives. Some of our highest paid and most influential educators, entertainers, athletes, ministers, journalists, police commissioners, commentators, and entrepreneurs, etc., are also black.
I don't know, just thought this obscure knowledge should be part of the conversation somehow.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:44 pm to sorantable
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There are plenty of countries with more educated children than ours. Tell me about their segregated education systems.
Ok. We'll stick with Europe since they're majority white but with growing immigrant populations.
Here's Germany:
Newspaper story about separating immigrant children and native German
German secondary system, which segregates kids based on demonstrated ability in elementary school and thus directs a kid to trade school or college before they're even teenagers.
Europe as a whole
European segregation of Roma children
The Netherlands
"Black schools" and "White schools" in The Netherlands
Second Netherlands story
England
Sweden, which similar to Germany makes secondary school and higher eligibility and placement dependent on primary school performance - thus effectively pushing minority and immigrant children out of the higher programs.
Want me to go on?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 3:59 pm to GoldenDawg
Shut up white boy
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:01 pm to Col reb 2011
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Land of the free home of the look like talk like dress like me and I won't shoot you
Merica
I have to laugh when I have Vietnam Unit reunions, guys who I fought to the death everyday and sometimes watched our friends die, guys who did and will do anything for each other.
But man on man it is a good damn thing we all love this Country cause we sure cannot talk about Politics
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:30 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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You can say it isn't your problem, but do you just not give a shite about the good people struggling to survive and thrive in those communities. Call it white guilt if you want, but I want to help those people even though I am not a part of that community.
After seeing decades of affirmative action work specifically for blacks I've grown disinterested in their struggle seeing both on the macro and micro levels. I'll accept any person that's willing to work and refuses to break laws when it's convenient, but if you look at the numbers you have to say that it's a problem with that culture specifically.
Not the race, the culture. A black child in a white neighborhood grows up differently than a black child in a poor neighborhood. The standards and the narrative are both different.
I've washed my hands of that problem.
They have advocacy groups, special RACIAL scholarships and rehabilitation programs and they're still behind the curve. They're even behind Hispanics at this point and their incarceration rate is higher.
At some point, you have got to say there is a problem with some cultures in the black race as we have with the white race. "Rednecks" aren't respected ubiquitously for a reason, hillbilly isn't something that most people would say you should be proud about.
I've run out of sympathy for them.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:33 pm to Duke
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The problem is the solutions are wide reaching and complex.
I really don't think it's that complex to be quite frank.
Don't have kids, stay within your financial limits and put value in your education.
It works for everyone.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:49 pm to sorantable
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Government-run schools work just fine in most communities.
And are undeniable spectacular failures in others. Next year my daughter will start school and it will be in a public school because ours is well run and does a great job.
If we lived one county to the south, she'd be in private school because their public school system is an unmitigated disaster and is currently under state takeover in part because of a widespread scandal were administrators and some teachers were changing student grades to up their pass rate.
When your child reaches school age, issues like that will suddenly become very important to you.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 4:54 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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After seeing decades of affirmative action work specifically for blacks
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They have advocacy groups, special RACIAL scholarships and rehabilitation programs and they're still behind the curve. They're even behind Hispanics at this point and their incarceration rate is higher.
IMO, many of those programs are part of the problem in that they reinforce the idea that a particular group isn't capable of succeeding on their own merits. Couple that with a social support system that incentivizes irresponsibility and you've created a recipe for disaster.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:20 pm to JustGetItRight
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IMO, many of those programs are part of the problem in that they reinforce the idea that a particular group isn't capable of succeeding on their own merits. Couple that with a social support system that incentivizes irresponsibility and you've created a recipe for disaster.
Which is what I've been trying to explain, perhaps rather poorly. The narrative is completely backwards and there is way too much focus on the difficulties that people in general (not just blacks) have to face.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:29 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
america is for black people, but the south sure as hell isn't. I don't understand why a black american who can afford to, lives anywhere below Virginia or east of colorado
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:30 pm to vengeanceofrain
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america is for black people, but the south sure as hell isn't. I don't understand why a black american who can afford to, lives anywhere below Virginia or east of colorado
It's the same for Hispanics in the southwest. Ever had to prove your citizenship during a traffic stop?
Be poor anywhere in the United States.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
What you mean YOU PEOPLE
Posted on 8/13/14 at 5:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
It is just a fundamental difference of opinion I guess. When I look at the situation, I see the children born into a system which completely misguides them. I may be biased because of the kids and parents I have had the opportunity to work with, but I wish there was some way we could break them free. It is very very difficult given the areas most poor kids grow up in, where many parents must work multiple jobs and the young kids are "educated" by the people that are around.
The ones that have been trained by circumstance still hold the responsibility of their actions. But it is hard to not feel for them. Take the story about the picture of the little kid holding the severed head from a few days ago in some middle eastern country or wherever. The kid has been trained that this is right and acceptable by the people he is told by natural instinct to look up to and trust.
The ones that have been trained by circumstance still hold the responsibility of their actions. But it is hard to not feel for them. Take the story about the picture of the little kid holding the severed head from a few days ago in some middle eastern country or wherever. The kid has been trained that this is right and acceptable by the people he is told by natural instinct to look up to and trust.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:00 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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but I wish there was some way we could break them free.
I don't want anyone in the world to live impoverished but it's very simple, I already outlined it:
Primary: Stop having children. Now. If you're poor, shite, even if you're Middle Class and can't afford to pay your bills -- don't have a goddamn kid.
Secondary: Put value into education.
Third: Don't focus on race.
It's not difficult. We never hear of the First White Man to _______, I don't feel proud or compelled to do better when I see other whites on television -- I do it for myself.
Poverty is hard, but it's even harder when people convince them that the system is rigged against them. That they can't win. Ever.
They'll always have a landmine to navigate to get anywhere in the world -- and it's not true. It's not slanted against them.
If you do well in school -- you will have opportunities everywhere due to Affirmative Action. You just have to want that over all of the other avenues a young black man has to navigate.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I don't want anyone in the world to live impoverished but it's very simple, I already outlined it:
Primary: Stop having children. Now. If you're poor, shite, even if you're Middle Class and can't afford to pay your bills -- don't have a goddamn kid.
Secondary: Put value into education.
Third: Don't focus on race.
It's not difficult. We never hear of the First White Man to _______, I don't feel proud or compelled to do better when I see other whites on television -- I do it for myself.
Poverty is hard, but it's even harder when people convince them that the system is rigged against them. That they can't win. Ever.
They'll always have a landmine to navigate to get anywhere in the world -- and it's not true. It's not slanted against them.
If you do well in school -- you will have opportunities everywhere due to Affirmative Action. You just have to want that over all of the other avenues a young black man has to navigate.
I just don't know who you are arguing against or telling this to. Most of the people old enough to understand appreciate your arguments and effect change have either 1) already ignored this advice and are part of the problem or 2) are trying to instill correct values in their kids and work a steady job to provide for their family, but are stuck in an area with lots of type 1 and kids often look up to others around them. Here is where the poverty comes into a larger role as they have to work long hours and aren't their to raise the kids.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 6:26 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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1) already ignored this advice and are part of the problem
If they ignore it, I don't give two fricks about them. Let them rot in the gutter. I don't feel bad about their kids, I don't feel bad about them. They need to change -- not you and I. Let them watch their children suffer and then we'll see if they eventually want to heed the advice or not.
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