re: 9/11 Was A Conspiracy!

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Yet we have evidence of melted steel, in official reports and eye witness accounts. Have you not seen the magma? It's flowing, as magma does. #magma

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Link?

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You haven't connected anything, you've simply said steel can melt and therefore the towers collapsed because steel can melt.

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That's not what I said at all dude.


I said that at higher temperatures steel sees its tensile strength and yield strength go down exponentially. And this has been experimentally confirmed and is very well documented. Please don't claim that I ever referenced steel melting again, because that's just not true.

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You shared a link that tried to explain it but it looked like something from my camp, the non mainstream side. It was hardly all inclusive, in fact it was embarrassingly thin.

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wtf? That link was from a scientific journal that specializes in material science.

That article has the following citations:

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1. Presentation on WTC Collapse, Civil Engineering Department, MIT, Cambridge, MA (October 3, 2001).
2. D. Drysdale, An Introduction to Fire Dynamics (New York: Wiley Interscience, 1985), pp. 134–140.
3. A.E. Cote, ed., Fire Protection Handbook 17th Edition (Quincy, MA: National Fire Protection Association, 1992), pp. 10–67.
4. A.E. Cote, ed., Fire Protection Handbook 17th Edition (Quincy, MA: National Fire Protection Association, 1992), pp. 6-62 to 6-70.
5. Steven Ashley, “When the Twin Towers Fell,” Scientific American Online (October 9, 2001); www.sciam.com/explorations/2001/100901wtc/
6. Zdenek P. Bazant and Yong Zhou, “Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis,” J. Engineering Mechanics ASCE, (September 28, 2001), also www.tam.uiuc.edu/news/200109wtc/
7. Timothy Wilkinson, “World Trade Centre–New York—Some Engineering Aspects” (October 25, 2001), Univ. Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering; www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.htm.
8. G. Charles Clifton, “Collapse of the World Trade Centers,” CAD Headlines, tenlinks.com (October 8, 2001); www.tenlinks.com/NEWS/special/wtc/clifton/p1.htm.

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And you are just going to dismiss it with a passing glance? Give me one article with anything close to the credibility of those citations that supports your views (whatever those are, I still have no idea because you haven't put forth an alternative claim).

Or, you know something else you could do, you could tell me something in that article that isn't consistent with what we observe or physics. Stop being so dodgy, it isn't accomplishing anything.

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First night of college football, weather is nice, guitar in lap -- not going to waste these kind of evenings on a 911 debate, especially one as pigeonholed as this.

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This isn't a debate. This is an engineer putting forth materials science and scientific studies and another guy that won't link anything and won't even go into details about what his claims are, much less the evidence for it.

Jesus dude, I'm not asking for much, and I think I've been more than forthcoming and polite with you. You can at least try to be intellectually honest.