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re: 300 rounds of remanufactured ammo

Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:50 am to
Posted by MrLarson
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:50 am to
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Ultramax


It appears that all of their ammo is remanufactured

Ultramax


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Ultramax 10 Step Quality Assurance System

1. Ultramax machine inspects all previously fired cartridge cases for flaws. Case inspection machines are fully automatic and perform several critical functions. All cases are probed for any foreign objects and pressure tested for cracks or dents. Spent primers are removed, flash holes are cleared of any foreign material, primer pockets are probed for flaws, and finally, primer pockets are reamed to insure compatibility with any new commercial primer.

Posted by Herman Frisco
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:00 pm to
It's practice ammo. Nothing wrong with it just a little cheaper. Buy a box of Corbon to keep loaded by your bed.
Posted by Robert Goulet
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:51 pm to
Shoot that shite, bro. No matter what negative things people can say about a glock, being dependable isn't one. I doubt you'll ever have to worry about a warranty.

As far as the ammo, I shoot 230 grain reloads through my 1911 and have never had a problem, and they didn't come from somewhere as reputable as Cabela's. I bought some bulk ammo from some dude in Montana and it has fed and fired great.
Posted by Jma313
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:55 pm to
The glock warranty says do not shoot remanufactured non-jacketed ammunition. You can shoot reman ammo no problem.
Posted by MrLarson
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:56 pm to
Thread hijack


What is the opinion of buying used guns. Found a sweet S&W 40 today for 339 stainless, says police trade in. I want to buy it with the quickness. But, being cautious.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 10:01 pm
Posted by Robert Goulet
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:28 pm to
JMO which is completely amateur and mostly ignorant...

I've bought several used guns and haven't had a problem. The deal you came across, I would jump on if that was what i was looking for. I feel like most of the big brands like S&W, Colt, etc. are gonna be solid weapons unless someone has severely fricked with them in which case you'd be able to tell.

Personally, even though I know a police/military trade in might be beat up, at least you'd know they were cleaned with some sort of regularity which is a good thing. I'd do it as long as I knew I could get close to that much out of it in a pinch.
Posted by ehole
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:29 am to
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Glock 23C


i pray your life never depends on taking a 2nd shot at night
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:47 am to
It's a Glock.

Don't worry about breaking it.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:01 am to
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StrykerAg10

300 rounds of remanufactured ammo ...

So I went to Cabela's to get ammo for my brand new Glock 23C and bought a bulk box of 300 rounds. I get home and open the box and there are 6 boxes of 50 inside. The individual boxes clearly say Remanufactured but the outer cardboard box does not. Using the ammo voids the Glock's warranty and Cabela's does not do returns for ammo.

Now what...


Something is not making sense.

40 S&W right? Or SIG 357? You failed to mention caliber - I'm assuming 40 S&W? I'm also assuming it's Gen 3 because Glock discontinued their ported (as I call them, or compensated as Glock likes to call them), C models before they intro'd the Gen 4s, correct?

So I'm also assuming you're talking about the UltraMax ammo, amirite? Conical nose, lead pills?

It's fine. I've shot some of it, not a lot because I do not like pushing lead through most of my pistols unless it's my own reloads and cupped ... but the ammo is fine. It's dirty stuff - smokes like a backwater hooer ... but it's cheap and it's fine for practice. One warning though, and with the caveat that I only own one Glock and it's a G20 ... but Glocks do not always handle lead pills very well. Just keep that in mind and consider this bulk UltraMax you bought to be nothing but practice ammo, for plinking, at best.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:12 am to
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Shoot that shite, bro. No matter what negative things people can say about a glock, being dependable isn't one. I doubt you'll ever have to worry about a warranty.

As far as the ammo, I shoot 230 grain reloads through my 1911 and have never had a problem, and they didn't come from somewhere as reputable as Cabela's. I bought some bulk ammo from some dude in Montana and it has fed and fired great.


The problem with a Glock is the barrel does not like lead pills ... it's just a well-known fact. That doesn't mean people do not shoot lead bullets through Glock barrels ... but Glock warns against unjacketed bullets for a reason.

As a Glock rep once explained it to me it's because of several things.

One, they heat treat their barrels the Tenifer way and that leads to rougher barrels which, in turn, is more likely to grab lead.

Two, Glock barrels are .001-.002 smaller than most other barrels. That's why most shooters who shoot cast boolits through their Glocks slug their barrels first and always cup the pills.

Three, barrel design. It's not your typical rifled barrel. Glock uses polygonal rifling and it is not conducive to the accurate use of cast lead boolits and, in fact, some claim Glock barrels lead-up in a hurry and perform badly afterwards. Thus there have been aftermarket barrels made for Glock owners who wish to roll their own with cast pills.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:27 am to
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i pray your life never depends on taking a 2nd shot at night


And this comes back to what I mentioned earlier ... a ported barrel on a Glock, well, I just never understood the need. I think that's probably why you can find them so cheap out there these days and why Glock discontinued them.

I saw a couple for sale locally in just the past few days both of them under $400.

I understand the concept, I've actually got a ported 1894P in 44 Mag and it works on a rifle ... but on a 23? Ummm, nah. In the dark it would be one shot and then flash blindness. I would like to know if it really ever compensated for the recoil ... I mean it's not like 40 S&W is not already called 40 Short & Weak for a reason.

I used to carry 40 S&W but once I really got into the ballistics of it I switched barrels and now carry in SIG 357 ... but I carry a SIG P229 DAK SAS custom shop piece. I've just never been a huge fan of Glock although I must admit the Gen 4s are far more ergonomic than the first three iterations were in terms of accuracy and comfort. The Gen 4s have real potential.

I always lulz when Glock lovers claim theirs is the godsend of all pistols when it comes to reliability. Truth is a good revolver is the most reliable. But Glocks are no more reliable than SIGs, H&Ks, XDs, FNs and even in most cases Berettas. But, Glocks are cheap. They cost less than $60 to make, they sell cheap and thus a lot of police departments buy them and the myth has grown because LEOs are notoriously slack when it comes to cleaning and caring for their sidearms.

There are a lot of things to not like about Glocks ... but they are fine for what they are, if you remember that your finger is your safety and you're not terribly concerned with uber accuracy or what you're able to feed your Glock.

Have a problem with your Glock though, and send it in for repairs and let them find traces of leading ... and watch how fast they void the warranty. Forget the reloaded ammo issues ... they'll do a powder spectrum on the propellant if there are any doubts and UltraMax will pass the test no problems in that regard. But the un-jacketed lead boolits ... yeah, that'll be a deal breaker for Glock. Although, honestly, those pills are not going to hurt that pistol. Shooter just needs to be sure to clean it well, with some lead removing solvent, after shooting those rounds.
Posted by StrykerAg10
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:05 am to
Appreciate the replies and the info
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:14 am to
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Appreciate the replies and the info


You are very welcome.

Might I also toss one more thing your way to take into consideration in the future?

For practice ammo - and practicing with your firearm is a good thing, I wish more people did more of it - but for practice ammo take a look at Blazer ammo sold at Wally World. It's about the same price, comes bulk packed, is jacketed and Glocks love it.

You can also buy a 22LR conversion kit for that 23, although it will not be ported naturally, where you can use 22LR for practice.

I own a couple of 22LR conversion kits for my SIGs and they work great and save me a ton of money when I am jonesing for trigger time.
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:32 am to
Why the hell would that void the warranty? My Ruger SR40 can handle anything.


...Glock sucks
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 9:33 am
Posted by Hardy_Har
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:37 am to
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Glock sucks


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Ruger


LOL
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18107 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:24 am to
Glock makes blocky and unbalanced handguns. I hate them.

What is your problem with Ruger? I've fired thousands of rounds without a single missfire. The balance is about as perfect as can be and the shots are smooth. It's the best gun I've owned. I also like Beretta, but I don't like a lot of the built in safety features.
Posted by Hardy_Har
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 12:52 pm to
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Glock makes blocky and unbalanced handguns. I hate them.


You need to try a Gen 4.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:33 pm to
My Sig is better than both of you
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:37 pm to
I prefer H&K and Walther if I was allowed to possess a firearm that is
Posted by Hardy_Har
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:40 pm to
I'd rather have a firing pair of S&W 40s than one SIG.. I carry a Glk 27 gen 4 right now. I've had a Sig, wasn't impressed. It was a very nice handgun but just didn't seem worth all the extra dough.

The glock new subcompact is very concealable though..
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