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"We have to recruit better"
Posted on 10/2/16 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/2/16 at 11:45 am
Common theme I'm seeing here, and while it sounds great if anyone is holding their breath waiting for this to happen then there will be a lot of death by asphyxiation.
Simply put, Mizzou (as a program regardless of coach) is not in a position to "recruit better". Subpar facilities, one of the worst instate talent bases, distance from talent hotbeds and mediocre history. That's not even taking into account the current additional negatives (protest, shite play, etc) there just isn't a magic "recruit better" wand.
What we have to do is identify and develop better than our foes. Scheme better than our foes. If a coach is going to win here, he has to excel in these areas.
Simply put, Mizzou (as a program regardless of coach) is not in a position to "recruit better". Subpar facilities, one of the worst instate talent bases, distance from talent hotbeds and mediocre history. That's not even taking into account the current additional negatives (protest, shite play, etc) there just isn't a magic "recruit better" wand.
What we have to do is identify and develop better than our foes. Scheme better than our foes. If a coach is going to win here, he has to excel in these areas.
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Posted on 10/2/16 at 11:50 am to JesusQuintana
IMO the biggest issues mizzou faces in trying to recruit better is home state talent near 0 and the radius has no talent in it. This is going to hamper mizzou the most. Then the protest aren't going to help. I think Odom messed up letting the leader of the player revolt stay. You have to process a cancer like that.
The other issues are fixable with the right admin and staff. If you can get upgrades going you can start to see changes.
The other issues are fixable with the right admin and staff. If you can get upgrades going you can start to see changes.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:06 pm to JesusQuintana
If you are counting on that you will continue to have what we have had, which isn't all bad. An occasional division title, no conference titles, no major bowls though some solid ones, down years of frustration.
We just had the KC donation and another $1 million donation. Get the facilities up to par. Hold more coaching clinics to get the high school coaching up to par (plus make in roads with them). I do think I have seen a slight upward tick in the talent level.
We just had the KC donation and another $1 million donation. Get the facilities up to par. Hold more coaching clinics to get the high school coaching up to par (plus make in roads with them). I do think I have seen a slight upward tick in the talent level.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:07 pm to heartbreakTiger
2018 actually has a lot of in state talent. If Mizzou is successful in that class the DL and WR positions will be about set for the next 3-4 seasons.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:13 pm to JesusQuintana
After watching the game last night, I hope we got that South Endzone project on the way.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:15 pm to reedus23
Can we be specific about what we mean when we say "facilities?" That gets thrown around a lot.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:16 pm to heartbreakTiger
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heartbreakTiger
The protests themselves only piss off the white ticket buyers and donors. The racism, which exists everywhere but was brought to the forefront by the protests is what will keep young black males from poor communities away, not the protests themselves.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:18 pm to the808bass
Sure. Our stadium is subpar. We don't have a dedicated football only facility. Weight room below average. Locker room is terrible. Players lounges and things of that sort are WAY behind.
Really everything that goes into football facilities is well below average as a whole.
Really everything that goes into football facilities is well below average as a whole.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:28 pm to the808bass
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Can we be specific about what we mean when we say "facilities?" That gets thrown around a lot.
You have to get the stadium to where it is completely enclose, starting with the south endzone. Like it or not, the Rock M has to eventually go and get that end enclosed as well. Obviously, that also means you have to be filling it, so I get it...it's a bit of a chicken/egg thing or cart/horse thing. But I also think a lot of that seating can be made as premium seating, not bench seating.
Just as importantly, you have to build the practice facilities/weight rooms/locker rooms/learning centers and all those extras with as much pizzazz as possible. The glitzy, fun stuff has to impress recruits. There has to be a "wow" factor to the "support" facilities. I think that is where you can make recruits' jaws drop more so than even the stadium.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:28 pm to JesusQuintana
What improvements need to be made to our stadium? Tiger Stadium is big, but we don't sell out what we have. I can tell you that TS is an old, worn out cement structure with TVs from the 90s hanging in it. I'm not convinced the gap here is as big as we are told it is. There's no point building a stadium that seats 100k in Como.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:31 pm to the808bass
If you're adding a lot of premium boxes by closing off the south end zone, for instance, you're not adding as much to your seating capacity as you would if you closed it off with bench seating. Plus, the premium boxes allow you to provide that "wow" factor when walking recruits through the stadium. I think they're back on track with the south endzone so that's a start.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:31 pm to reedus23
It's a two prong problem. If your boosters refuse to donate because your admin can't control protest then you can't upgrade a weight room, locker room, or any shiny toy to get recruits. Also by having the protest it brings the antiprotest which can turn off players. Opposing coaches are using it as ammo vs mizzou.
Odom really should have kicked off the leaders of the revolt last year. It would help in getting things back in line with boosters.
Odom really should have kicked off the leaders of the revolt last year. It would help in getting things back in line with boosters.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:33 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Odom really should have kicked off the leaders of the revolt last year. It would help in getting things back in line with boosters.
Boosters don't play.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:33 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Odom really should have kicked off the leaders of the revolt last year. It would help in getting things back in line with boosters.
For the record, I would not have had a problem if he had. I also don't have a problem that he didn't. I think he basically told everyone, you have a clean slate with me but I won't take an ounce of the same bullshite under me. I get that stance as well.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:33 pm to the808bass
No point in expanding. I'm speaking more to appearance. The South EZ complex will make a big difference if done correctly.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:36 pm to the808bass
Tiger stadium is old, but we are making efforts on improving it. The old shitty tvs under the concourse are going to be out soon.
They are redoing a lot of the interior in the offseason which is why bayou country super fest had to move.
We are also pushing hard for a beer garden in our upper south end zone.
Our locker room is top notch along with training and weight rooms and we have a massive football ops building used for tutoring and such.
They are redoing a lot of the interior in the offseason which is why bayou country super fest had to move.
We are also pushing hard for a beer garden in our upper south end zone.
Our locker room is top notch along with training and weight rooms and we have a massive football ops building used for tutoring and such.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:37 pm to heartbreakTiger
WTF are people talking about?
Missouri has fine high end in state talent -- and that is going to continue to grow as football has become more popular for StL and KC youths.
Two major urban areas in this state. No other D1 school in state. Mizzou is okay with nearby talent.
That's not the problem.
Missouri has fine high end in state talent -- and that is going to continue to grow as football has become more popular for StL and KC youths.
Two major urban areas in this state. No other D1 school in state. Mizzou is okay with nearby talent.
That's not the problem.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:38 pm to the808bass
No they don't play but they make it possible for you to upgrade anything you need. When LSU was garbage in the late 80s and early 90s it was because our TAF wasn't a big factor. Since then we have been on a massive roll by having our athletic boosters upgrade all the support facilities
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:41 pm to Supreme Tiger
Just because you have major urban areas doesn't mean you have tons of talent.
I do think with proper out reach you can improve local talent
Ed O has an open invitation to all la high school coaches to attend LSU practices.
It helps improve them and it's making another group to push the Ed O for head coach further.
I do think with proper out reach you can improve local talent
Ed O has an open invitation to all la high school coaches to attend LSU practices.
It helps improve them and it's making another group to push the Ed O for head coach further.
Posted on 10/2/16 at 12:44 pm to Supreme Tiger
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Missouri has fine high end in state talent -- and that is going to continue to grow as football has become more popular for StL and KC youths.
Two major urban areas in this state. No other D1 school in state. Mizzou is okay with nearby talent.
That's not the problem.
We have the talent...we don't have the depth of talent on the high end, meaning we have little margin for error in missing out on the ones that are produced here. And there lies the problem.
1. Undecided
2. Nubs
3. Mizzou
4. OU
5. Illini
6. KSU
7. Arky
8. Illini
9. Undecided
10. Undecided
Instead of having 40-50 players that will play D1 football, Missouri has 20. Instead of 20-30 that can play P5 football, we have 10. We cannot land 1 out of those 10 and be successful.
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