re: Oc decision made

Stripes Im not happy. I have said as much. My biggest gripe was not blowing the program up and starting over only one year into SEC play. I hopped that we would get fresh blood into the program at the OC position. I was disappointed that we didnt get Chaney honestly. He turned down Mizzou though man. I think the worst thing that could have happened was to lose out on the people from outside we wanted and then hire someone who may or may not be "better" just to appease fans and boosters calling for change for the sake of change. Losing Henson and possibly Hill in the process and not getting and for sure improvement in return.

I think my opinion is not as much optimistic as it is understanding of maybe why things ended up this way. Yea Henson was in the booth with Yost but that doesnt necessarily mean that he wont have a different take on the offense going into spring.

The one optimistic thing I for sure feel is that things will either improve or the program will move on next year and reset with a completely new staff.

I realize Chaney turned us down. But I feel like after that we really didnt try very hard to get a young hungry QB Coach or somebody in. Now maybe Henson was the answer all along, but like I have said repeatedly. Pinkel has this year. I am not waiting forever. I certainly hope we can get a real assistant coach in and that Hill can be an extremely effective QB Coach, because I dont see us turning it around without it.

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So you dont feel that the FB and BB programs are perceived differently nationally to potential hires? We just were ready to spend 700k on an OC and couldnt land Chaney. That was my point when you chose to compare Haiths hiring of staff with Pinkel's. Doesnt really matter though eh?

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OK Kilo, we shall spar. Friendly spar, but appears you are in a sparring mood so I will joust.

I think it is fair to say Pinkel's stance on internal hiring preferences, not just his mere presence and potential lame duck status, could have impacted Chaney and the others as well.

It's one thing when a head coach shakes up his staff and deliberately looks outside. But if you are an OC candidate, all other things being equal, would you feel comfortable entering a situation where the HC has always hired from within, and has very publicly expressed a strong preference to hire from within, and maybe, just maybe, your hire as an outsider might be more tied to outside pressure from boosters or the AD? What kind of work environment would that be? I agree there's a monetary tipping point for which many will do just about anything, but the reality on Chaney is he had comparable monetary options elsewhere. And its easy for you to chalk that up 100% to the instability of them not knowing how long Pinkel would be here or him being on the hot seat. But even if he weren't, it'd still be a simple fact that the OC would be shoehorned into a situation where his direct boss, the HC, didn't really want him there. Akward. As. Hell. And not a work environ that many people would find very attractive.

Semo, I love that you still have the Kirby Smart fantasy. That guy will be coaching at an elite school when the time comes, not Mizzou.

I agree, I'm backing Henson. I am not upset about who we ended up with, I just wish the process would have gone smoother. It looks like we just played damage control by keeping a guy so he didn't leave. I can't see Chaney (or another veteran coach) coming in and working alongside Pinkel, that just didn't fit with me.. I couldn't see that working with Pinkels mentality.

kilo - no bigs, it's been a stressful, well, year frankly for Mizzou sports. And I realize the lines blur between individual posters when the nutty Tigerboard masses all have their pitchforks out. Just know that when I in particular push an envelope here or there its usually just cuz I think something's amusing rather than am trying to flame Mizzou or anything, I'm not down with that. And WDWWD to me is kinda in that category - the issue surrounding it is valid enough for debate and we've hashed that out heavily here, but the acronym itself, well, I don't have any mean spirit or ill will behind it, I just, I confess, think its frickin' funny. If Mizzou is kicking some arse next year and having its way with some alleged SEC powerhouse at Faurot, I will be happily trying to get a "WDWWD!" chant going in the stands in support of our staff.

semo - good at ya, full ATX status report on where I've been is back on page 3 of this thread, good to catch up with y'all here fo sho. Short version is in terms of my internet presence, been roaming with the Tigerboard crazies more these days but I still lurk.

I actually also think we have a chance at Kirby Smart. A couple reasons.

1. Especially if we flop out in a couple of years, we are most likely the only SEC Job opening up next year. I mean what Elite jobs are opening up? Auburn, UT are gone for the next three years. Richt was a couple plays away from a NC, he isnt going anywhere. I mean what is opening up? Bama, UF, LSU? Hell no.

2. We are absolutely willing to pay Top Dollar. We were just willing to go up to 750K on an OC. Money isnt close to a problem. Especially if we are embarrassed again this season, they will see to it that a big name is coming. The AD and Boosters are going to do everything in their power to make this a success. They are trying to sell a new stadium, so they are obligated to as well.

3. Also remember, the value of our job has skyrocketed because we are now a member of the conference. If you dont believe me think about this. Dan Mullen (top Urban Meyer assistant) went to Miss. State (an agreed worse job than us). Even UK got a really strong coach at the coordinator level in Stoops. I understand why our fans think this because I did it before also, but we are really underselling our value here. I think its a new era coming.

4. Honestly if Alden sells it right (and I believe he will out of necessity for the position we will be in), Kirby (or any other good coach) can accomplish anything they want to here. Maybe not immediately, but we are a little more patient than our in-conference competition. Only program within a state of 6 Million people. A stadium that will be bigger than Clemson and Notre Dame's. I mean think about this. A recruiter like Kirby Smart, has to go to war every day for kids against other top recruiters at UGA, UF, UT, etc. But think about somebody like him in Missouri. Now its kU, KSU, Illini, Iowa, even Nubs or Ok State arent anything compared to SEC recruiting. Sure we have less talent, but that has to be appealing right? I mean he could kill it here with relatively weak recruiting competition.


These are just a few of the many reasons, but I fully expect Alden will be pushing all of the poker chips in on this next hire. He honestly has no choice.

Anyways just my thoughts.

I would like to get Smart too, but if I had to bet my house on it, he ain't coming. I don't know how many more years Saban has (61 now I think) but my guess is he's holding on tight for the Bama job when Saban retires. Does he take another job in the interim for HC experience? Possibly. But if he has any success he'll bolt when Saban retires.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong. Like I said, would like to see Smart here.

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mograyback

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This is how I'm picturing you right now....

I saw that. I like Henson, just thought new blood would have been nice. He has my support until he give me reason not to.