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re: Not to bring up possible bad feelings but. Recruiting
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:13 am to reedus23
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:13 am to reedus23
To continue on, I still stick by the mantra that it starts at home. Mizzou doesn't have the luxury to go into SEC states like Florida and Georgia and compete for the top players, so it is vital they not just compete but land the top players in their own state and then in the neighboring states. The inroads at ESL have been great with Taylor, Strong and hopefully Beckner. Now extend that eastward and northward in Illinois. Illinois should be our 2nd priority IMO. Get the B1G mentality out of some kids' heads.
Kind of just working with that structure, I reconfigured the Mizzou class as:
MO - Lock QB
MO - Ofodile WR
MO - Hentges TE
MO - Doherty RB
MO - Abbington RB (Still consider him MO)
MO - Williams RB
MO - Davis DT
MO - Davis DE
MO - Hilton DB
That's 9 of the top players in the state. Not THE best 9. So I met the goal of landing the instate guys, and these are all guys Mizzou has pursued.
IL - Beckner DT
IL - Strong RB
IL - Williams DE
IL - Boykin WR
KS - Harris OL
TN - Richmond OL
IN - Kirkland LB
Those are all guys in surrounding states that were offered by Mizzou, some considering us more than others. It also has the 2nd most emphasis on the state of Illinois.
Then hit the southern states:
GA Quarte Sapp LB
GA Nick Wilson OL
FL Williams Sweet OL
FL Devante Peete WR
TX PJ Mbanasor DB
TX Darrion Daniels DT
MS Richaud Floyd WR
LA Hunter Dale DB
That is a class that would put us at 8th in the nation with 24 recruits. I tried to keep the positions reasonable so I wasn't taking 20 DE's. I tried not to take guys we offered and tried to avoid top 10 guys unless there had been some Mizzou talk associated with them at one time.
We aren't going to start landing 5*'s out of Florida. Get the guys you can closer to home and then supplement with the southern states.
Kind of just working with that structure, I reconfigured the Mizzou class as:
MO - Lock QB
MO - Ofodile WR
MO - Hentges TE
MO - Doherty RB
MO - Abbington RB (Still consider him MO)
MO - Williams RB
MO - Davis DT
MO - Davis DE
MO - Hilton DB
That's 9 of the top players in the state. Not THE best 9. So I met the goal of landing the instate guys, and these are all guys Mizzou has pursued.
IL - Beckner DT
IL - Strong RB
IL - Williams DE
IL - Boykin WR
KS - Harris OL
TN - Richmond OL
IN - Kirkland LB
Those are all guys in surrounding states that were offered by Mizzou, some considering us more than others. It also has the 2nd most emphasis on the state of Illinois.
Then hit the southern states:
GA Quarte Sapp LB
GA Nick Wilson OL
FL Williams Sweet OL
FL Devante Peete WR
TX PJ Mbanasor DB
TX Darrion Daniels DT
MS Richaud Floyd WR
LA Hunter Dale DB
That is a class that would put us at 8th in the nation with 24 recruits. I tried to keep the positions reasonable so I wasn't taking 20 DE's. I tried not to take guys we offered and tried to avoid top 10 guys unless there had been some Mizzou talk associated with them at one time.
We aren't going to start landing 5*'s out of Florida. Get the guys you can closer to home and then supplement with the southern states.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 10:51 am to Scooter McCooter
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Now to my point. We are 0-4 in CCG's due to one reason and one reason only, talent.
completely disagree,, that is not the only reason, unless by "talent" you meant ability to scheme X's and O's, this coaching staff is simply not that good. I think your point is actually on target though, for a Gary Pinkel led coaching staff to win at the top level they will need top talent, that much is right.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 11:53 am to Jagd Tiger
My goodness! It's not his job to recruit!
Would you feel better if one of our coaches was responsible for figuring out who to order dinner from, gathering contact info for prospects, or making sure they haven't been called too many times that week?
Would you feel better if one of our coaches was responsible for figuring out who to order dinner from, gathering contact info for prospects, or making sure they haven't been called too many times that week?
Posted on 1/12/15 at 3:49 pm to JesusQuintana
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 5:02 pm to Mizz-SEC
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Is there a limit on the number of coaches a team is allowed?
You are allowed 10 coaches and 2 GAs. As for recruiting, those 10 coaches are the only ones allowed to "formally recruit" players. I think the GAs are allowed to make some phone calls. I am not an expert and there are a lot of rules so this is just a high level overview.
As mentioned previously, the recruiting coordinator is not allowed to recruit. The closest he gets to recruits is coordinating their travel for visits.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 5:19 pm to Tigersessed
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You are allowed 10 coaches and 2 GAs. As for recruiting, those 10 coaches are the only ones allowed to "formally recruit" players. I think the GAs are allowed to make some phone calls. I am not an expert and there are a lot of rules so this is just a high level overview.
As mentioned previously, the recruiting coordinator is not allowed to recruit. The closest he gets to recruits is coordinating their travel for visits.
Thanks for all the answers to the questions I raised. I really appreciate the knowledge and insights.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:15 pm to Mizz-SEC
there are more than 2 GA's, here is the full list of staff from the Mizzou website:
Coaches
Gary Pinkel - Head Coach
Andy Hill - Associate Head Coach / Quarterbacks
Dave Steckel - Assoc. Head Coach / Defensive Coord. / Linebackers
Cornell Ford - Cornerbacks
Alex Grinch - Safeties
Josh Henson - Offensive Coordinator / Tight Ends / Off. Line
Brian Jones - Running Backs
Craig Kuligowski - Defensive Line
A.J. Ricker - Offensive Line
Pat Washington - Receivers
Austin Alewel - Special Teams Analyst
Peter Badovinac - Defensive Graduate Assistant
Cooper Bassett - Offensive Quality Control
Morris Berger - Recruiting Graduate Assistant
Kendall Bradley - Offensive Analyst
Mack Brown - Offensive Graduate Assistant
Austyn Carta-Samuels - Recruiting Graduate Assistant
Brian Duker - Defensive Quality Control
John Egorugwu - Offensive Graduate Assistant
David Flores - Director of On-Campus Recruiting
Dan Hopkins - Director of Football Operations
Justin Kramer - Defensive Analyst
Kathryn Lucchesi - Director of Football Multimedia
Josh McCaskey - Defensive Graduate Assistant
Ghaali Muhammad - Recruiting Graduate Assistant
Nick Otterbacher - Director of Football Recruiting
Kenny Sims - Recruiting Graduate Assistant
Jefferson Thomas - Administrative Graduate Assistant
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:38 pm to Jagd Tiger
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there are more than 2 GA's,
Only 2 GAs are allowed to coach and recruit. That is what this conversation is about. Everybody else is support staff. Please try and keep up, thanks.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:42 pm to Tigersessed
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Only 2 GAs are allowed to coach and recruit. That is what this conversation is about. Everybody else is support staff. Please try and keep up, thanks.
there is a slew of staff who may or may not help coaches do things that relate to coaching/recruiting... please try and keep up... thanks.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:49 pm to Jagd Tiger
There is now more damn red on this page than there are posts. No more warnings. If you're addressing a poster and not the post, you may want to reconsider before hitting submit.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:54 pm to Tigersessed
The original point being, there is a limited number of people that can contact recruits and also a limited number of asst coaches.
Some one earlier had spoke of creating a position. That's not possible.
We are not limiting ourselves in any way with regards to recruiting. Other than a smaller recruiting budget of course.
Some one earlier had spoke of creating a position. That's not possible.
We are not limiting ourselves in any way with regards to recruiting. Other than a smaller recruiting budget of course.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 6:56 pm to Jagd Tiger
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there is a slew of staff who may or may not help coaches do things that relate to coaching/recruiting... please try and keep up... thanks.
Yes but only 10 coaches and 2 GAs can instruct players in practices/games (otherwise known as coaching) and contact recruits for the purpose of recruiting them. That is what the question was. He did not ask how many people work in the AD. Obviously there are more than 12.
ETA: the coaching comment to be more clear
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:22 pm to Tigersessed
I just looked it up and out of the 10 coaches only 7 of them are allowed to recruit off campus.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:10 pm to Tigersessed
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I just looked it up and out of the 10 coaches only 7 of them are allowed to recruit off campus.
So are you satisfied with the seven? Any area for improvement among them? Thanks.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:10 pm to Mizz-SEC
Right now, I am not looking to make any changes. If we go a couple of years of losing football then I can justify making some changes. Otherwise replacing somebody in the hopes they can do half their job better than what I have is not a good plan. Even if we are winning and I see a certain position falling behind in talent and/or play, then I would look to make changes. Currently though I think we have been getting some good talent. The only problem is it takes a year or two to get productive. I would rather have that problem than recruit top level talent but never develop them to be productive.
I will say the current coach I have the most concern around is Washington. I think the WR talent brought in has been acceptable, but I have not been impressed with their development since he has been here. I also have concerns about how he develops their buy in to the team approach.
Another area overall that I would like to see changed is our defensive mind set. The last couple of years I feel like the defense has not been hitting hard. We seem to drag people down and several times I felt like they avoided the contact.
I would like to see recruiting pick up but I'm not sure recruiting rankings are the best way to measure success.
I will say the current coach I have the most concern around is Washington. I think the WR talent brought in has been acceptable, but I have not been impressed with their development since he has been here. I also have concerns about how he develops their buy in to the team approach.
Another area overall that I would like to see changed is our defensive mind set. The last couple of years I feel like the defense has not been hitting hard. We seem to drag people down and several times I felt like they avoided the contact.
I would like to see recruiting pick up but I'm not sure recruiting rankings are the best way to measure success.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:22 pm to Tigersessed
The rankings are irrelevant the talent gap isn't.
Not all two stars bloom and if you can't coach 4 and 5 stars then you cant coach at all. Not at a big boy level.
There is a myth around missouri that we dont recruit big time players. We do, we offered dozens of 4 and 5 star players. You have to close though. And although all 4s and 5s dont pan out. Every 2 and 3 that comes to Mizzou doesnt either.
you want to be fine with never winning a CCG thats fine. We clearly have different definitions of what a winner is. Im not saying we are losers.
We are a 3rd tier school It hurts to say but we are. 1st tier teams play for win CCG and play for NC. 2nd tier teams float right around .500 in CCG games and then 3rd tier teams show up once in a while but never get it done. Its better than being a dumpster fire but IMO nobody should be happy losing CCGs. Some like to compare us to Oregon or right below them. 1) its not true and even if it was, Oregon is getting trucked right now.
Not all two stars bloom and if you can't coach 4 and 5 stars then you cant coach at all. Not at a big boy level.
There is a myth around missouri that we dont recruit big time players. We do, we offered dozens of 4 and 5 star players. You have to close though. And although all 4s and 5s dont pan out. Every 2 and 3 that comes to Mizzou doesnt either.
you want to be fine with never winning a CCG thats fine. We clearly have different definitions of what a winner is. Im not saying we are losers.
We are a 3rd tier school It hurts to say but we are. 1st tier teams play for win CCG and play for NC. 2nd tier teams float right around .500 in CCG games and then 3rd tier teams show up once in a while but never get it done. Its better than being a dumpster fire but IMO nobody should be happy losing CCGs. Some like to compare us to Oregon or right below them. 1) its not true and even if it was, Oregon is getting trucked right now.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:33 pm to Scooter McCooter
This is why it is hard to have discussions on internet message boards. Anybody can identify the end result you want to accomplish. It takes somebody with leadership to identify the process on how to get there. I'm guessing you have never hired nor fired anybody in your life. I'm guessing you have never managed a team and then had to evaluate how your employees performed.
Winning CCGs is not as simple as you need better recruiters on staff. Processes IRL are more complex, but on the internet we have to argue black/white. Have fun, but I will not post 1000s of times on a message board, to try and convince anybody to change their mind.
Winning CCGs is not as simple as you need better recruiters on staff. Processes IRL are more complex, but on the internet we have to argue black/white. Have fun, but I will not post 1000s of times on a message board, to try and convince anybody to change their mind.
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