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re: Anyone still think Berk is the best qb on this team?
Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:16 pm to Stripes314
Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:16 pm to Stripes314
Stripes, I'm sorry but I'm alittle confused as to who your refering to.
Plenty of reasons on who? Franklin or Berk?
Franklins simple. He tried to be the Franklin of old and got his knee tweeked. Gone for the game.
Berks performance is not quite as simple. Hurried a few times? I think most the second half he was on his back....or did I see this wrong? Timing and being familiar with receivers are important parts of this passing offense. Reading blitzes adjusting routes, being on the same page. Let's remember he's only a freshman QB. He hasn't had the amount of interaction with his receivers as Franklin has had. Of course dropped balls don't help any QB's confidence in that receiver.
Not his intended receiver on the TD pass? I think he did a pretty good job of taking what the defense gave him on the pass to Sasser for the TD last night. It was a well designed play to begin with. But he delivered that ball with a D-lineman in his grill. It was a nice play. I can't believe anyone would assume that that pass and reception was an anomaly or just a fluke.....ooohhh-k.
Receivers going out of the way to catch some passes may be due to the defense getting pressure, the defense having tight coverage or both. Inaccuracy is always some of the reason and may have been the case due to him getting comfortable, or being constantly hit on every other down. But he did hit some receivers in areas they should have made catches but didn't. Thats Berks fault? Maybe some maybe not.
Thats awfully bold to predict we can't win any games with Berk the rest of the year being he's actualy already won the only game he has started this year. ??????
Everyone does need to step up. The defense is there to win games. The offense is in need of a jolt. A little success from say a QB like Berk could get thing rolling. But at the end of the day, it's still a team sport and they all need to step it up including the coaching staff.
Plenty of reasons on who? Franklin or Berk?
Franklins simple. He tried to be the Franklin of old and got his knee tweeked. Gone for the game.
Berks performance is not quite as simple. Hurried a few times? I think most the second half he was on his back....or did I see this wrong? Timing and being familiar with receivers are important parts of this passing offense. Reading blitzes adjusting routes, being on the same page. Let's remember he's only a freshman QB. He hasn't had the amount of interaction with his receivers as Franklin has had. Of course dropped balls don't help any QB's confidence in that receiver.
Not his intended receiver on the TD pass? I think he did a pretty good job of taking what the defense gave him on the pass to Sasser for the TD last night. It was a well designed play to begin with. But he delivered that ball with a D-lineman in his grill. It was a nice play. I can't believe anyone would assume that that pass and reception was an anomaly or just a fluke.....ooohhh-k.
Receivers going out of the way to catch some passes may be due to the defense getting pressure, the defense having tight coverage or both. Inaccuracy is always some of the reason and may have been the case due to him getting comfortable, or being constantly hit on every other down. But he did hit some receivers in areas they should have made catches but didn't. Thats Berks fault? Maybe some maybe not.
Thats awfully bold to predict we can't win any games with Berk the rest of the year being he's actualy already won the only game he has started this year. ??????
Everyone does need to step up. The defense is there to win games. The offense is in need of a jolt. A little success from say a QB like Berk could get thing rolling. But at the end of the day, it's still a team sport and they all need to step it up including the coaching staff.
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:17 pm to semotruman
I don't know if he has heart or not. He is a calm, cool and collected kid. I will give him that. But I wonder if he is too even keeled to lead a team. I remember Moe talking about how you can never tell if Franklin is up or down because he shows nothing. Personally, I would like to see a little passion at times.
Franklin shouldn't be crucified. I think he does what he can. I just don't think he's the future. I think it's a long shot to get a bowl bid and at that it will be a crappy one. I would work towards the future now.
Franklin shouldn't be crucified. I think he does what he can. I just don't think he's the future. I think it's a long shot to get a bowl bid and at that it will be a crappy one. I would work towards the future now.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:22 pm to Mizzou4ever
Bro, as long as Pinkel is head coach here, we'll run some form of the spread. He's pretty firm on that to a fault. If your looking at Mizzou converting over to a conventional offense, your probably looking at or for a new head coach.
I still think we can run the spread effectively in the SEC. You can run with power in the spread. You have to have the right players. Like you said, it all starts in the trenches with the big men. Until they can prove they can pick up blitz packages, other teams will continue to exploit this weakness.
I still think we can run the spread effectively in the SEC. You can run with power in the spread. You have to have the right players. Like you said, it all starts in the trenches with the big men. Until they can prove they can pick up blitz packages, other teams will continue to exploit this weakness.
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:33 pm to semotruman
Ha ha Semo. I felt the same way about Franklin last year! But look what he did. I feel even though there has been questionable playcalling by Yost this year, he's still good at developing QB's.
We have to be realistic about this weekends game with Bama. They are simply a roadgrader team in helmets and pads. They seem to just steamroll whoever they play. So don't expect much. Saban is a master of making adjustments throughout the entire game. It's a monumental task they have this weekend, no doubt. It will be a rough game for Berk also. They have to concentrate on sustained drives to keep our defense fresh into the second half. This is the one adjustment I think Mizzou has to make in the SEC. Quick scoring is nice if you can stop the other offense. But if you can't, eventualy our defense will wear down and our offense is not there yet to score everytime we touch the ball. At this point realy, a sustained drive is a successful drive even without points being scored.
We have to be realistic about this weekends game with Bama. They are simply a roadgrader team in helmets and pads. They seem to just steamroll whoever they play. So don't expect much. Saban is a master of making adjustments throughout the entire game. It's a monumental task they have this weekend, no doubt. It will be a rough game for Berk also. They have to concentrate on sustained drives to keep our defense fresh into the second half. This is the one adjustment I think Mizzou has to make in the SEC. Quick scoring is nice if you can stop the other offense. But if you can't, eventualy our defense will wear down and our offense is not there yet to score everytime we touch the ball. At this point realy, a sustained drive is a successful drive even without points being scored.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:33 pm to jafo
The spread reminds me of this little league game I watched about a month ago. A team from Japan knew they couldn't match up with the U.S. teams hitter for hitter. In order to avoid the mismatch, this team literally bunted 80% of the time to hide their weaknesses at the plate (mind you these were 12 year old kids so fielding a bunt isn't a certainty). It got them some wins but in the end the teams figured them out and took away the opportunities bunting gave them. The spread kind of seems like the same thing to me. Gimicky. Trying to hide our weaknesses because we can't line up man to man.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 6:46 pm to reedus23
All's I'm saying here is we give Berkstresser a chance before we decide he aint the guy. He realy hasn't had that chance yet.
There's alot I like about the guy. He's big, definilty tough. Seems to understand the offense though at times it appears he doesn't. He can run the ball, but not with the same style as Franklin. He can be a load on the goal line too.
All's I'm asking is we give the kid a chance. You can't fairly compair Berk to Franklin. They are fundamentaly different style QB's.
There's alot I like about the guy. He's big, definilty tough. Seems to understand the offense though at times it appears he doesn't. He can run the ball, but not with the same style as Franklin. He can be a load on the goal line too.
All's I'm asking is we give the kid a chance. You can't fairly compair Berk to Franklin. They are fundamentaly different style QB's.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 7:22 pm to jafo
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You can't fairly compair Berk to Franklin. They are fundamentaly different style QB's.
Exactly. And that's the basis of my opinion that we Franklin, if he can play, gives us the best chance this year. The offense is built from a Franklin-style QB.
I just think that for Berk to be successful, a different style of offense, or at least a very different set of plays, needs to be developed. I agree - he has definite upside. But I just don't think he's not ready yet, and I'm concerned that between his lack of mobility and our porous OL, he could get hurt against some of the defenses in this league. Like the one we'll see next Saturday.
I can't agree that Franklin is fragile though, and hearing people call him a pussy just pisses me off. I can't stand to hear our "fans" bashing the heart of any player who takes the field for our team, especially under less-than-optimal circumstances.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 8:48 pm to semotruman
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Exactly. And that's the basis of my opinion that we Franklin, if he can play, gives us the best chance this year. The offense is built from a Franklin-style QB.
I would not argue this ideal. I agree with it. But again Franklins durability is in question. Not his toughness, his durability. There is a difference. He plays with pain, thats tough. But he's not built for alot of punishment. If you watch his running style, he's about 50/50 running people over, the other he kind of bounces off defenders. These players in the SEC are mostly NFL ready. They are fast. Gaining the edges is going to be tougher even with Vandy last saturday. They had to create ways to gain the edges. But I'll stand by Franklin any day all day and argue with anyone who says this kid aint tough, he is. He's not realy fragile but just not as durable as Berk.
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I just think that for Berk to be successful, a different style of offense, or at least a very different set of plays, needs to be developed. I agree - he has definite upside. But I just don't think he's not ready yet, and I'm concerned that between his lack of mobility and our porous OL, he could get hurt against some of the defenses in this league. Like the one we'll see next Saturday.
I don't think it's as hard as you think it is. They designed a run play for him in the Vandy game. He gained good yards on that run. It was a north/south run. But thats not Berks game. I don't think he lacks mobility, he just chooses to stay in the pocket and throw the ball because he can take the hits and I think Berk is a better true passer thand Franklin. Berk has all the tools to be a good QB. The coaches have to figure a gameplan around his strengths and not try to fit Berk into a Franklin gameplan. I think Berks chances of getting hurt from a passrush is much less than Franklin, but you can't count it out. I won't argue that Berks still green. He is. But I think he can make progress the more he plays.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 7:55 am to jafo
I hate to root for the backup. Franklin finally started looking good and gets hurt. Franklin probably is the better QB at this point, but Corbin started the only W this team has against a good team.
Hopefully with a full week of prep and an offense rallying behind Berk's toughness can improve this squad. It can't get worse.
Hopefully with a full week of prep and an offense rallying behind Berk's toughness can improve this squad. It can't get worse.
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