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re: 2014 Football Recruiting Thread *Offers and Commits in the OP*
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:31 pm to semotruman
Posted on 6/16/13 at 4:31 pm to semotruman
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Now, I should add - I'm very excited about the recruits we have, and some of the current players too.
Yes, my concerns are not a reflection of the kids we did get. It's a reflection of the kids we didn't get.
I have never been a Pinkel basher in the past. I thought criticism of him in the past was unfair. And my concerns aren't even about just one bad year. Even if he has a good season, he is set to retire in the not too distant future so even if he gets the ship righted, there will still be blood in the water for the other coaches and players to smell because there will still be HC uncertainty in the future even with a good year. That is as much a reason why I thought Alden should have pulled the trigger after last year as any.
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Posted on 6/16/13 at 5:58 pm to reedus23
The amount of 4* players Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and even a team like Northwestern has compared to us having 0 concerns me. Maybe Pinkel is just running stale. Too long at a program being average. Its hard to say things are like up for 10+ years and keep saying it will be better next year every single year and then never improve. In our BEST season with him we couldnt even make it to a BCS bowl. James Franklin is just a solid coach. Won games with lesser talent leading to better talent taking notice. Same at Northwestern. But Kentucky and Tennessee? Teams we have beat and have been bad the last 10 years? Just excitement surrounding a new coach. It's that easy. 1 star may not matter to ONE player. A 2 or 3 star player could very well end up being better than a 5* (See Aldon Smith, Chase Daniels, JMAC.) But can anyone argue a collection of 4* talents does not give you a better chance than a collection of 3*? My rant comes to this. Pinkel just cannot get players excited in mass. He has no charisma. He is a blank slate. You can be a great recruiter two ways. Charismatic and a great talker (See Pete Carrol and Lane Kiffen.) or a great coach on the field. (See Nick Saben and Bobby Petrino.) Pinkel is an average coach on the field with NO charisma what so ever. I am the ever optimist but seeing 4* after 4* cut Mizzou from the his list is disheartening. Knowing we will not get a 5* without a somehow perfect season, I was dreaming for around five 4* players (what Kentucky currently has) but as of right now I am not sure we have five 4* players who have mizzou among their top 10. Theres maybe 3 to my knowledge. Someone give me something to be optimistic?
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:13 pm to Mizzou23
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Someone give me something to be optimistic?
I got nothing....except that we at least have a seat at the Big Boys Table, it's just at the far end.
Posted on 6/16/13 at 11:35 pm to 50CalMG
Bottom line is GP better start off the season 5-0. Out of the next 3(@UGA, UF and USC), if he can steal 1, then he might be able to land some of those 4 stars. Now is that that possible? I have no fricking clue and if I don't the recruits don't know what to think of MU either.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:12 am to reedus23
Here is something positive:
The first five games of our schedule will give us a measuring stick of where the team is. If we drop one then expect heads to roll.
I have never been a Pinkel basher either however he seems to have lost his motivation to keep to an SEC standard and seems to have not even tried (at least not very hard) to seal the boarders of Missouri. Now this might seem like a negative but if Pinkel is canned I don't think any other sec coach is on the hot seat (unless there is another meltdown somewhere else). So we have first pick. And coaches want to coach in this league just look at stoops over in Lexington...
Now i still have hope for this season, but am very reserved before jumping to conclusions.
Regardless of what happens I will root for the tigers. M-I-Z
The first five games of our schedule will give us a measuring stick of where the team is. If we drop one then expect heads to roll.
I have never been a Pinkel basher either however he seems to have lost his motivation to keep to an SEC standard and seems to have not even tried (at least not very hard) to seal the boarders of Missouri. Now this might seem like a negative but if Pinkel is canned I don't think any other sec coach is on the hot seat (unless there is another meltdown somewhere else). So we have first pick. And coaches want to coach in this league just look at stoops over in Lexington...
Now i still have hope for this season, but am very reserved before jumping to conclusions.
Regardless of what happens I will root for the tigers. M-I-Z
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 12:17 am
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:34 am to TrueSon2014
I disagree. Beating Toledo, Indiana, etc. doesnt tell you anything. Losing to them will, but remember, Tenn started 4-0 and we all know how they ended up. Those games will tell us nothing. Games in the SEC will.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 9:20 am to Stripes314
It will tell alot those first four games will truly show us who has won the QB battles. Toledo and Indiana are gong to be a tougher games than most think, primetime and will be on BIG network. We have a bad history on these games in the spotlight.
Toledo does not have a good defense but a very powerful offense it could show our strengths and weakness on both sides of the ball.
Im not saying the first four games are the premier games on the schedule, in fact we SHOULD win all of them! all I'm saying is the first four will show us a preview at what the team responds to in certain situations, and from there i feel like i can better judge the outlook of the schedule. JMO
Ps I read a rumor that Torey Boozer transferred to SMU?
And Vic Enwere is deciding today, Mizzou is in his top school lists.
Toledo does not have a good defense but a very powerful offense it could show our strengths and weakness on both sides of the ball.
Im not saying the first four games are the premier games on the schedule, in fact we SHOULD win all of them! all I'm saying is the first four will show us a preview at what the team responds to in certain situations, and from there i feel like i can better judge the outlook of the schedule. JMO
Ps I read a rumor that Torey Boozer transferred to SMU?
And Vic Enwere is deciding today, Mizzou is in his top school lists.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 9:49 am
Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:06 am to TrueSon2014
Torey Boozer was dismissed from the team for stealing in the locker room, according to a tweet from Ashley Zavala and Dave Matter. Insert obligatory TPOS here. 
So, I suppose we won't have a problem taking another CB or two.
So, I suppose we won't have a problem taking another CB or two.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 10:34 am to TrueSon2014
Enwere isnt coming to Mizzou, per PM
Posted on 6/17/13 at 11:28 am to Stripes314
Pinkel's contrat is through 2017 right? Does he have an option on the contract for years after that? If not, any players recruited for this next class know there's a strong possibility they'll have a different coach by their senior year. I promise you, his status is being used against us.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 12:26 pm to semotruman
Pinkel's contract will always be for at least 5 years from the current year. He is signed through at least 2018. I think 2019 is the current one.
EDIT: nevermind. I thought he got an extension in 2012 before the season but I guess he did not. 2017 is the end for right now. No wonder he is getting killed on the recruiting trail.
EDIT: nevermind. I thought he got an extension in 2012 before the season but I guess he did not. 2017 is the end for right now. No wonder he is getting killed on the recruiting trail.
This post was edited on 6/17/13 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 6/17/13 at 1:42 pm to notsince98
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EDIT: nevermind. I thought he got an extension in 2012 before the season but I guess he did not. 2017 is the end for right now. No wonder he is getting killed on the recruiting trail.
That's exactly what I thought. It's a No Confidence vote by the AD, and won't change until he either leaves or gets an extension. Which would we rather see happen?
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:00 pm to semotruman
We need to just buy that shite out at the end of this season.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:09 pm to semotruman
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That's exactly what I thought. It's a No Confidence vote by the AD, and won't change until he either leaves or gets an extension. Which would we rather see happen
I think this season has a lot to do with the outcome of this question. if he does fairly well he gets the extension if not hes gone. being a mizzou fan (and having respect for what pinkel has done for the program) i hope we do well and he gets it. if not i hope we hire a coach with sec ties.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:12 pm to Stripes314
Everyone keeps saying 8 wins. Im not sure. I feel if he doesnt get 9 wins then he needs to be gone. I consider 8 wins too average and I am tired of being average. 9 wins I feel would at least open some eyes. Either way, I am not sure I want Pinkle back unless he finds a way to get us to a BCS bowl. I think he wasnt fired after this past season because there were too many SEC teams looking. That wont be the case this time.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:18 pm to Mizzou23
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I think he wasnt fired after this past season because there were too many SEC teams looking. That wont be the case this time.
Thats interesting Mizzou23, i never thought of it like that before.... do you think hes leaving the cupboard empty then? (not even getting one of the OL from missouri is pretty ridiculous)
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:20 pm to TrueSon2014
Would he even be interested in an extension? I thought the last go around he talked about retiring at the end of this extension and didn't want to extend it any further. I think that might have been before the move to the SEC though.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:26 pm to Mizzou23
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Everyone keeps saying 8 wins. Im not sure. I feel if he doesnt get 9 wins then he needs to be gone. I consider 8 wins too average and I am tired of being average. 9 wins I feel would at least open some eyes. Either way, I am not sure I want Pinkle back unless he finds a way to get us to a BCS bowl. I think he wasnt fired after this past season because there were too many SEC teams looking. That wont be the case this time.
The 4 OOC games should be automatic. UK, UT and Vandy should be automatic. That's 7 wins that should be automatic and leaves UGA, UF, USC, OM and A&M for him to get 1-2 wins. If we were as good as GP would have made us out to be the last several years, I could buy it. But first, I don't think anything is automatic with this staff and the program as it is right now so I wouldn't be surprised to see us drop 1 or 2 of those automatic wins and frankly I'd be surprised (happily so) if we were to win any of the other 5 games. Regardless, 7-5 is no accomplishment with this schedule in my opinion. 8-4 would be a good year. Anything 9-3 or better would be better than good. Long way to say I agree with ya Mizzou23.
Posted on 6/17/13 at 2:29 pm to TrueSon2014
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do you think hes leaving the cupboard empty then?
I would like to think he is a bigger man than that. Roderick Johnson confirmed to Dave Matter that Mizzou is still in the running for him today. As of now I believe there are two 4* players from Missouri that we have a chance with in Johnson and Monte Harrison. The others have committed elsewhere or have left us out in a cut. I like the players we have and think they can win some games. But I want Mizzou to contend for a NC and I do not think HCGP has it in him to recruit to those standards.
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