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re: What should be our expectations for Rick Ray next year?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:23 pm to schlow mo
Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:23 pm to schlow mo
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If it's the case that when a coach pushes players too hard in practice they are more likely to tear an ACL, why didn't Bobby Knight's teams constantly deal with a rash of torn ACL's?
There is a cumulative effect. Why are we talking about A practice. As to Knight, I do believe he had more than his share. Henderson being the most noted.
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Posted on 3/25/13 at 8:34 pm to ChargerDog91
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The only uneducated person here is you. And you're obviously to dumb to realize that no one here believes a word you are saying. Go on with that bullshitee calling people uneducated.
Look kid, as I stated a while back, if you want to act like a bully on a play ground then we can go there.
I'm not the one who has a lack of understanding.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:15 pm to deltaland
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Ben Bernanke has a degree in economics yet he thinks our country can continue to borrow money indefinitely with no repercussions.....
True. I disagree with that.
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Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you know everything.
Degrees.
That would also be correct and I don't claim to be all knowing.
As I have said over and over, you are arguing points against proven research. Using your example above, it's proven that it's a bad policy. Just like socialism is proven to fail, we have people that promote it anyway.
To add to that point, we once believed it was a great idea to use menthol cigarettes to treat asthma. Taken off the shelves. BTW, an OD of those would cause hallucinations.
What does that have to do with anything? Simply put, we learn. We progress. People now live longer due to those advancements. Another example is that ACLs use to be a career ending injury for most. Advances have turned that around. Those advances were made possible via research. The same type of research that some here, not all, are wanting to dismiss.
It's now being researched even more. Like it or not, understand it or not, the fact remains. It's truly not hard to understand either. Research showed use how to treat acl tears to the point that not all of them are career ending, this research will show us how to train more effectively and lead to less ACLs tears.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:17 pm to darkhorse
Please answer my question
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:19 pm to darkhorse
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To add to that point, we once believed it was a great idea to use menthol cigarettes to treat asthma. Taken off the shelves. BTW, an OD of those would cause hallucinations.
Pretty sure I saw some menthol cigs at the gas station today. I also saw my friend with a pack this weekend.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 3/25/13 at 9:31 pm to darkhorse
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Research showed use how to treat acl tears to the point that not all of them are career ending, this research will show us how to train more effectively and lead to less ACLs tears.
So, essentially, your entire argument is based on research that hasn't been done yet...Got it**
No one here is shocked by this...in the least...
Extreme exertion is only extreme to those not in shape for it and used to it. If you can blame Ray's "extreme" workouts for the freak injuries, I can just as easily blame Stansbury for the lack of workouts and laxidasical nature of those workouts that happened prior. See how easy it is to twist shite when you've got an agenda?
If we have 3-4 more acl tears next year and this becomes a statistical reality instead of a statistical anomaly, then maybe we can discuss your point. Until then, it's just more sour grapes in your anti-Ray agenda.
How can you talk down to people here about "degrees", when you lack the critical reasoning for everything I've just spelled out for you in this post?
Posted on 3/25/13 at 10:26 pm to engie
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If we have 3-4 more acl tears next year and this becomes a statistical reality instead of a statistical anomaly, then maybe we can discuss your point. Until then, it's just more sour grapes in your anti-Ray agenda.
How can you talk down to people here about "degrees", when you lack the critical reasoning for everything I've just spelled out for you in this post?
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Extreme exertion is only extreme to those not in shape for it and used to it. If you can blame Ray's "extreme" workouts for the freak injuries, I can just as easily blame Stansbury for the lack of workouts and laxidasical nature of those workouts that happened prior. See how easy it is to twist shite when you've got an agenda?
Boom!
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 3/25/13 at 10:43 pm to engie
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So, essentially, your entire argument is based on research that hasn't been done yet...Got it**
Evidently you don't "got it" as that's nowhere near what I asserted. What I stated was what the research showed us. The proof is there, like it or not engie. The result does not have an emotional connection to MSU or our fans.
The results of that research will lead to better methods of training athletes. My argument is based on several studies across the
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Extreme exertion is only extreme to those not in shape for it and used to it. If you can blame Ray's "extreme" workouts for the freak injuries, I can just as easily blame Stansbury for the lack of workouts and laxidasical nature of those workouts that happened prior. See how easy it is to twist shite when you've got an agenda?
I have no idea what you are even suggesting here unless you are suggesting that Stansbury lack of extreme workouts are the reason why players could not hold up under Ray's "extreme" workouts. If that's your argument then bless your heart.
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If we have 3-4 more acl tears next year and this becomes a statistical reality instead of a statistical anomaly, then maybe we can discuss your point. Until then, it's just more sour grapes in your anti-Ray agenda
Anti-Ray agenda? LOL! Right..
Again, it does not matter if you like it or not. It does not bother me if you like it or not. The studies were not done to remove Ray from MSU as head coach. That's the bottom line. You don't like the results of it, contact all of the researchers worldwide and tell them you have a problem with it.
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How can you talk down to people here about "degrees", when you lack the critical reasoning for everything I've just spelled out for you in this post?
I believe you are talking about my comment to guy who started with the name calling? If so, then I answered your question in this paragraph.
My reasoning is just fine. It is apparent though that others have a hard time grasping exactly what these studies have found and what is actually going on in the human body. It's evident in the comments like "they had just started practice so they could not have been fatigued and that means you are full of shite..." That comment displayed a total lack of knowledge. The follow up to that "I was there so I know they were not"... total lack of knowledge.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 3/25/13 at 10:52 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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Pretty sure I saw some menthol cigs at the gas station today. I also saw my friend with a pack this weekend.
Really? You are seriously going to take exception to that for no other apparent reason other than to try and prove me wrong?
So here you go.... Rise and fall of smoking for asthma
BTW, I said as treatment for Asthma.
BTW 2, I will never give out my personal information online. At all. Data mining is a huge issue. Not to mention, it would betray a lot of clients.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 3/25/13 at 10:58 pm to darkhorse
You said they took menthol cigs off the shelves.
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To add to that point, we once believed it was a great idea to use menthol cigarettes to treat asthma. Taken off the shelves. BTW, an OD of those would cause hallucinations.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:00 pm to darkhorse
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BTW 2, I will never give out my personal information online. At all. Data mining is a huge issue. Not to mention, it would betray a lot of clients.
All I did was ask what multiple degrees you have since you keep bragging on them.
There is no way anyone could find out anything personal about someone by their degrees.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:01 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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To add to that point, we once believed it was a great idea to use menthol cigarettes to treat asthma. Taken off the shelves.
Context Req... context.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:05 pm to darkhorse
Taken off the shelves is not a complete sentence. You have a habit of posting fragments, or sentences that make no sense at all. Maybe you should change your posting style, if you want people comprehend what you are trying to type.
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:06 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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There is no way anyone could find out anything personal about someone by their degrees.
Actually, you could narrow it down to just a handful. A simple cross reference would be the starting point.
I wasn't bragging either.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:07 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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Taken off the shelves is not a complete sentence. You have a habit of posting fragments, or sentences that make no sense at all. Maybe you should change your posting style, if you want people comprehend what you are trying to type.
LOL, I'm told that a lot. I will take that to heart.
Posted on 3/25/13 at 11:41 pm to darkhorse
Feel free to link me to all the acl case studies showing that Ray has been negligent with our roster you keep asserting as "fact" -- otherwise all your longwinded bullshite is exactly that -- bullshite. If "the proof is there" go ahead and show us. Otherwise, you are making this shite up. You are correct on one thing -- we are having trouble grasping what these phantom "studies" you keep talking about actually say -- and given your general inability at online coherence, we do not trust you to transcribe the theories to us either.
Medical journals on the topic or the general case studies you are using for the basis of your posts would be fine... I need to brush up on my complex reading anyway.
Anotherwords, put up or shut up. K thx
Medical journals on the topic or the general case studies you are using for the basis of your posts would be fine... I need to brush up on my complex reading anyway.
Anotherwords, put up or shut up. K thx
This post was edited on 3/25/13 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 3/26/13 at 12:03 am to engie
I'll link an article since he won't.
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So even if he does have articles, it is disputed in the medical community at the least.
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"There is no evidence that wear and tear, or that kind of issue, playing too much, really has any correlation with ACL injuries in any sport that weve ever studied," Dr. David Altchek from the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York said Sunday.
...Altchek argues that too much playing could actually make a player less susceptible to the injuries that Rose and Shumpert sustained, because they might lack the type of explosiveness it takes to blow out a knee ligament.
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So even if he does have articles, it is disputed in the medical community at the least.
This post was edited on 3/26/13 at 12:15 am
Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:09 am to engie
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Feel free to link me to all the acl case studies showing that Ray has been negligent with our roster you keep asserting as "fact" -- otherwise all your longwinded bull shite is exactly that -- bull shite. If "the proof is there" go ahead and show us. Otherwise, you are making this shite up. You are correct on one thing -- we are having trouble grasping what these phantom "studies" you keep talking about actually say -- and given your general inability at online coherence, we do not trust you to transcribe the theories to us either.
You are mistaking me for somebody that gives a rats azz what you think Engie. I just don't!
The medical journals and studies have already been linked to on this board. I don't feel obligated to so again.
IN OTHER WORDS.... look it up and read.. k thanks.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:21 am to darkhorse
Do all of us a favor and delete your account.. k thanks.
Posted on 3/26/13 at 1:46 am to Requiem For A Dawg
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I'll link an article since he won't.
Did that a while back, not doing it again.
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LINK
So even if he does have articles, it is disputed in the medical community at the least.
There is no point to it. All I am going to do is point out the fact that Stern backed off of that statement (as I already have), point out that the doctor you linked to is on the pay roll of the the NBA (even per the article). Then I am going to point out that the NBA was coming out of a lock out and the last thing they needed was another controversy.
Do you actually think that he would step up and say "yeah.. that's an issue." imagine the fall out from a consultant to the NBA (and on staff of the METs) saying it's an issue! Even the players were saying it's an issue. Coaching staffs were resting players and getting fined for it.
Here are some more words for you: "We've done all the numbers," he said. "We think there are actually about the same number of injuries. When Derrick Rose went down with his ACL everyone said it's the compressed schedule. Usually you have five of those a year, this year we had two before the playoffs and now we have two in the playoffs, so now we have four.".. D Stern.
They have an average of 5 per year, and MSU had 4. Huge difference there.
So again, there is no need in going into this any deeper. You can not remove yourself from being a "fan" to look at this rationally. I will post the studies, you will dismiss them. You will find a loophole to step through. You are not really interested in truths. You only want to argue and I'm not really into doing that. At least not tonight. Not to mention that if you truly wanted to know, you would look it up. So again, no point to this.
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