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re: The Stansbury Dumpster Fire years. #NeverForget
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:19 am to sharpSee
Posted on 1/12/15 at 7:19 am to sharpSee
Why the hell would you chose the last 6 years to show when he was here for 14? Let me help you do this correctly.
The reason more people can't do this is because they can't understand how we got here in the first place, even though this is where we should be at in this point of the process.
Well he had a lot to do with it being at this point. I just want to see one Stansbury lover admit that he did anything wrong. I want to see one of those people admit that he fricked us pretty hard on his way out. For some reason this man has become bigger than the program.
Again, why is it wild? He had a huge part in it.
Naw. Hood said that he wanted to transfer about halfway through the season because of all the shite that was going on behind the scenes.
So you're blaming Ray for having to kick Wendell Lewis, Shaun Smith, and Zedikas off the team? You're blaming Ray for Wendell and Smith not being able to stop smoking weed once Stansbury was let go? You're blaming Ray for kicking Smith and Zedikas off the team after they got into a brawl at Campus Trails in a drunken stupor? Jesus.
This.
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stoms
Over and done with. All I can see is forward.
The reason more people can't do this is because they can't understand how we got here in the first place, even though this is where we should be at in this point of the process.
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sharpSee
I also see a lot of posters that still blame Stans for the current state of the program.
Well he had a lot to do with it being at this point. I just want to see one Stansbury lover admit that he did anything wrong. I want to see one of those people admit that he fricked us pretty hard on his way out. For some reason this man has become bigger than the program.
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Just wild to think he's still being blamed for where the program is now.
Again, why is it wild? He had a huge part in it.
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RealityIs
Hood later on stated that he left due to the coach leaving.
Naw. Hood said that he wanted to transfer about halfway through the season because of all the shite that was going on behind the scenes. quote:
sharpSee
Oh yeah. Rick Ray is on a nice pace as well. Funny how he gets a pass.
So you're blaming Ray for having to kick Wendell Lewis, Shaun Smith, and Zedikas off the team? You're blaming Ray for Wendell and Smith not being able to stop smoking weed once Stansbury was let go? You're blaming Ray for kicking Smith and Zedikas off the team after they got into a brawl at Campus Trails in a drunken stupor? Jesus. quote:
Donnie Darko Dawg
Look I agree Ray isn't getting the job done and Stricklin made a terrible hire. But it was Stans time to go.
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Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:44 am to DynastyDawg
How did he frick msu on his way out?
I left because my coach left. I went there to play for him
Players are still transferring out. What about that are you not seeing? Behind the scenes... Player ARE still fighting. Say what you want, but this was the worst decision that has been made in my life time by MSU
I left because my coach left. I went there to play for him
Players are still transferring out. What about that are you not seeing? Behind the scenes... Player ARE still fighting. Say what you want, but this was the worst decision that has been made in my life time by MSU
Posted on 1/12/15 at 8:50 am to DynastyDawg
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So you're blaming Ray for having to kick Wendell Lewis, Shaun Smith, and Zedikas off the team? You're blaming Ray for Wendell and Smith not being able to stop smoking weed once Stansbury was let go? You're blaming Ray for kicking Smith and Zedikas off the team after they got into a brawl at Campus Trails in a drunken stupor? Jesus.
Yes, yes I do. I 100% blame him for taking the easy way out and passing it off as discipline. Run them until their damn feet fall off, you don't kick them off the team and slit the programs throat over getting drunk or smoking weed.
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Well he had a lot to do with it being at this point. I just want to see one Stansbury lover admit that he did anything wrong. I want to see one of those people admit that he fricked us pretty hard on his way out. For some reason this man has become bigger than the program.
I want to see one of you ignorant fricks that wanted him gone admit that no other coach will do what he did with what he had to work with. We have one of the lowest basketball budgets of any power 5 conference, and he routinely finished in the top of our league despite that.
Want to know the honest to god best thing that our administration could do? Show up on the mans doorstep with flowers and a god damned pay check and pray he doesn't laugh in their face.
He isn't bigger than the program, but he sure as shite built what program we have. The odds of us hiring a better coach are astronomical, we are a less attractive job than anyone in the Big East or ACC, a shitload of teams from other conferences, and anyone in the SEC aside from Ole Miss, and will pay less than any of them to top it off. We can blow sunshine all we want but State basketball isn't averaging over 20 wins a season any time soon.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 8:51 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:12 am to Donnie Darko Dawg
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:21 am to DynastyDawg
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Why the hell would you chose the last 6 years to show when he was here for 14? Let me help you do this correctly.
I just wanted point out that we were nowhere near this bad even in Stans "dumpster fire" years. His resume gets more impressive if you go a few years back to include the SEC Championship. But that wasn't what I wanted to discuss. This is kinda a spinoff thread of the Stricklin thread.
I'll say it again. Stans needed to go at that time. I'll agree with that. A large portion of the fanbase had grown toxic toward him and there were many embarrassments over the course of the 2011-2012 season. Renardo Sidney had almost all to do with that.
However, I don't think the reason we suck this year is his fault.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:21 am to skirpnasty
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Yes, yes I do. I 100% blame him for taking the easy way out and passing it off as discipline.
Right. The "hard way" really worked on Sidney, Moultrie, and Smith before.
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Run them until their damn feet fall off, you don't kick them off the team and slit the programs throat over getting drunk or smoking weed.
If it would have been one time, I agree with you, but it wasn't. It was an ongoing problem and he wanted to get the point across that he wasn't going to put up with that shite.
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you ignorant fricks
Right. Because we disagree, I'm an ignorant frick. Get the frick out of here with that baby back bullshite. This is why it is impossible to have a conversation about this topic.
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admit that no other coach will do what he did with what he had to work with
Are you implying that Stansbury did more with less? He was a fricking fantastic recruiter and had a shite ton to work with. His in game coaching was terrible.
He made between 1.4 and 1.5 Mil a season. It wasn't elite, but it wasn't in the bottom half either. He was between elite and average at the time.
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We have one of the lowest basketball budgets of any power 5 conference, and he routinely finished in the top of our league despite that.
Key: [Conference Record, West Standing, Overall Standing without East/West Divisions]
8-8 (3) (7/12), 5-11 (5) (11/12), 7-9 (4) (8/12), 10-6 (2) (2-6/12), 9-7 (1) (4/12), 14-2 (1) (1/12), 9-7 (3) (5/12), 5-11 (5) (10/12), 8-8 (1) (6/12), 12-4 (1) (3/12), 9-7 (3) (6/12), 9-7 (1) (6/12), 9-7 (2) (6/12), 8-8 (6) (7/12)
9/14 times he finished in the bottom half.
He won the West 5/14 years, won the SEC 1/14 years.
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He isn't bigger than the program, but he sure as shite built what program we have.
Agreed. I loved him while he was here but it was time to move on.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:24 am to sharpSee
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However, I don't think the reason we suck this year is his fault.
I agree with you. The reason that we suck this current year is most definitely not his fault.
The only thing that I am saying is his fault is the position we were in while trying to hire a new head coach. After that he had nothing to do with it. Once Ray got here it was all on him, but Stansbury is part of the reason Ray is here in the first place.
ETA: Sharp, I think we agree to an extent. This conversation gets so deluded with people misunderstanding where I think the blame lies, and taking up for Stansbury while he was here (which shouldn't be overlooked).
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:27 am to DynastyDawg
I use ignorant fricks pretty lightly, I'm just deep into meltdown mode when it comes to our basketball program. I am not sure it is going to ever get to where it was. Our university gains far more in exposure from football and baseball, I don't know how much basketball is worth dumping into from a ROI standpoint. I don't see us sacrificing money from the other two sports to improve bball.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:29 am to skirpnasty
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I use ignorant fricks pretty lightly
Ok then, no big deal. I tend to curse on here more than I do IRL, so I can relate.
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Our university gains far more in exposure from football and baseball, I don't know how much basketball is worth dumping into from a ROI standpoint. I don't see us sacrificing money from the other two sports to improve bball.
I worry about this, but I hope it isn't the case. I want us to be elite in every sport. However unfeasible that may be, it's still my goal.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:30 am to skirpnasty
Even though Ray is twisting the knife, Stans had all but quit his last few years with no sign or effort to correct it. He gave zero fricks and let players run him over. He needed to go, but I agree it really fricking sucks we hired Ray right now..
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:32 am to skirpnasty
Skirp and Sharp:
I really don't think we disagree that much.
I think the conversation gets misconstrued when trying to figure out why we are where we are as a program.
I in no way mean to bash Stansbury through all of this. If there are none of the off the court issues that Stansbury had, then I would most likely never wanted him gone. I would have liked him to hire a better offensive Assistant, but not for him to leave.
ETA: What we really need is for everyone to let go of the past, get a fricking homerun hire, and get back into basketball like we were before.
There is a way to right the ship, we just all have to be in it together. No more Pro-Stansbury/Hate-Stansbury division within the program.
I really don't think we disagree that much.
I think the conversation gets misconstrued when trying to figure out why we are where we are as a program.
I in no way mean to bash Stansbury through all of this. If there are none of the off the court issues that Stansbury had, then I would most likely never wanted him gone. I would have liked him to hire a better offensive Assistant, but not for him to leave.
ETA: What we really need is for everyone to let go of the past, get a fricking homerun hire, and get back into basketball like we were before.
There is a way to right the ship, we just all have to be in it together. No more Pro-Stansbury/Hate-Stansbury division within the program.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:33 am to DynastyDawg
He said budgets not pay. There was only one other program in what was then the major basketball conferences that had less money... Utah. One!
Even south Florida had a bigger budget than msu.
You skipped where Rodney hood stated why he left.
You are skewing numbers.
Players are still fighting. Players are still transferring, players are still getting in trouble. The only difference is this coach can not recruit, this coach is not winning.
Those are the facts.
Even south Florida had a bigger budget than msu.
You skipped where Rodney hood stated why he left.
You are skewing numbers.
Players are still fighting. Players are still transferring, players are still getting in trouble. The only difference is this coach can not recruit, this coach is not winning.
Those are the facts.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:34 am to DynastyDawg
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The only thing that I am saying is his fault is the position we were in while trying to hire a new head coach.
I struggle to see this. I guess my whole point is that the hire was botched by Scott, more than it was Stans fault for the hire. I've never heard of situations where other coaches thought a program was toxic because of mishaps that happened with the program before. The only situation that happens with is if there are NCAA sanctions coming down. Have we really ever thought a coach would say "The players were unruly last year. I don't want anything to do with that". I don't see it.
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Sharp, I think we agree to an extent
I appreciate the debate. I think Stans made some big mistakes, but I think his true downfall came about by not kicking Sidney off sooner. To me, I blame that kid for the downfall of that year and for Rick not taking action against him sooner.Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:35 am to RealityIs
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RealityIs
Go the frick away. No one here gives a shite what you think about Mississippi State basketball.
frick off.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:36 am to sharpSee
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I think his true downfall came about by not kicking Sidney off sooner. To me, I blame that kid for the downfall of that year and for Rick not taking action against him sooner.
I think what really really really fricking hurts is that if that frickface never sets foot on Mississippi State's campus, we're not even having this discussion.
SidneyPosted on 1/12/15 at 9:37 am to DynastyDawg
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No one here gives a shite what you think about Mississippi State basketball.
seconded
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:38 am to DynastyDawg
Yeah whatever deal he cut with Renardo really fricked him over. He should have just been able to kick him off after the fight.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:39 am to Hardy_Har
I 100%believe his state of mind was not there. To much to fight with fans and certain money people thinking they deserved more and if they could just get rid of him they could hire better.
I think it was stated pretty darn well. Who else in the sec in the past 2 decades has the sec been able to hire to do what Stansbury did at Msu.... On msu budget.
I think it was stated pretty darn well. Who else in the sec in the past 2 decades has the sec been able to hire to do what Stansbury did at Msu.... On msu budget.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:39 am to DynastyDawg
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There is a way to right the ship, we just all have to be in it together. No more Pro-Stansbury/Hate-Stansbury division within the program.
Agree. And the reason I brought this up was because posters were blaming Stans for the Rick Ray hire. We should be more critical of Scott versus blaming Stans, IMO.
Posted on 1/12/15 at 9:43 am to sharpSee
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We should be more critical of Scott versus blaming Stans, IMO.
I agree with you here, but we're about to start making loops in this conversation.
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