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Posted on 11/9/12 at 8:41 am to engie
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I've never seen people so sure of failure and unwilling to give a guy a chance.
Opening line: MSU -8 over Troy
Guess Vegas thinks more of us than many here.
Cheer up fellow Bulldogs, I saw yesterday that ESPN the magazine had us ranked 256th overall in college basketball.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:02 am to Cdawg
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Cheer up fellow Bulldogs, I saw yesterday that ESPN the magazine had us ranked 256th overall in college basketball.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:17 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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So if we had fired Stans two years ago we would have hired a better coach than Rick Ray? How so?
We would have been hiring a coach after one dumpster fire season instead of after two dumpster fire seasons. We would have been able to hire a coach while having much more talent on the team and there would have been way less attrition. It would have been a much more attractive job a year earlier. We would have a better roster this season than we do. How can you not see that?
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Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:05 am to Tds & Beer
Kenny Payne left his meeting with Keenum thinking he was going to be the next State head coach. Somewhere in that next 2 hours, Strick and Keenum got cold feet and went with Ray. They decided they wanted to break away from the scuminess of that type of recruiting.
Keenum and Strick had been looking for a way to get rid of Stansbury the last 2 years Engie- they had interviewed a few former players asking about their recruitments. 2012's collapswe finally gave them their chance.
The choice was made and we have to hope it was a good one. To this point, I dont see how you can fault anything Ray has done, or question the hire. Now that we are playing games, we'll learn a little more, but it still wont be a true measure of what he can do. Recruiting this year is huge for us. Hopefully they can bring in some guys to get us on more solid footing in 2014
Keenum and Strick had been looking for a way to get rid of Stansbury the last 2 years Engie- they had interviewed a few former players asking about their recruitments. 2012's collapswe finally gave them their chance.
The choice was made and we have to hope it was a good one. To this point, I dont see how you can fault anything Ray has done, or question the hire. Now that we are playing games, we'll learn a little more, but it still wont be a true measure of what he can do. Recruiting this year is huge for us. Hopefully they can bring in some guys to get us on more solid footing in 2014
Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:24 am to CoonassBulldog
Coonass do you really believe our basketball program is so much more shittier than South Carolina to where they can hire a proven winning HC in Frank Martin and we hire a guy with no HC or SEC experience???
We have been bad but have been to the NCAA tournament 5 times since South Carolina last made it.
Stricklin made a last minute blunder on his hire. I'm not going to go Coach34 on Ray, but I will on Stricklin if this hire proves to be as bad as I feel it will be.
I feel this hire could be as bad as the football hire Southern Miss made.
We have been bad but have been to the NCAA tournament 5 times since South Carolina last made it.
Stricklin made a last minute blunder on his hire. I'm not going to go Coach34 on Ray, but I will on Stricklin if this hire proves to be as bad as I feel it will be.
I feel this hire could be as bad as the football hire Southern Miss made.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 12:18 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Coonass do you really believe our basketball program is so much more shittier than South Carolina to where they can hire a proven winning HC in Frank Martin and we hire a guy with no HC or SEC experience???
yes. Throughout the coaching profession, it was talked about what a dumpster fire the program really was. Coaches saw front and center how the players ran the show, and also the rumors of lots of drug problems.
Every coach knew that this job would require cleaning house and starting over. And not alot of coaches, especially established ones, wanted to do that.
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Stricklin made a last minute blunder on his hire
No, he took weeks and ran into doors everywhere.
Shaka Smart was the first call he made. Shaka's agent said he wont even talk about the job for less than 3MM per year- name was then crossed off the list.
Greg Marshall was called and did a phone interview. We actually had a chance there, but apparently he made some calls about the program after showing interest and then withdrew his name.
There were others as well. The job was viewed as being as a toxic housecleaning- and that's why we are where we are.
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I feel this hire could be as bad as the football hire Southern Miss made.
You have absolutely nothing to base this on right now. Not one thing. Our lack of talent is on Stansbury and you know it. At least when Stansbury took over, he had a solid team to work with. He left Ray shite.
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Posted on 11/9/12 at 1:02 pm to CoonassBulldog
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There were others as well. The job was viewed as being as a toxic housecleaning- and that's why we are where we are.
That's when we should have opened the checkbook and offered good money for a good coach much like South Carolina did.
And to your comment on drug problems, I'd be willing to bet every college basketball program in the SEC outside of Vandy has players who smoke weed
So Coach you really believe there wasn't a single proven D1 coach from a mid major program that was willing to take our job.
Hell right now I'd rather have someone with experience as a head coaching experience that has dealt with the problems we are facing. If that makes any sense.
This post was edited on 11/9/12 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 11/9/12 at 1:45 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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Coonass do you really believe our basketball program is so much more shittier than South Carolina to where they can hire a proven winning HC in Frank Martin and we hire a guy with no HC or SEC experience???
at the point we decided to do it, yes
Posted on 11/9/12 at 1:45 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I feel this hire could be as bad as the football hire Southern Miss made.
yet you can't provide a reason
Posted on 11/9/12 at 1:47 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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That's when we should have opened the checkbook and offered good money for a good coach much like South Carolina did.
I was told 2MM was the absolute limit we would have gone. And aGAIN, not alot of coaches were willing to clean house and start over.
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And to your comment on drug problems, I'd be willing to bet every college basketball program in the SEC outside of Vandy has players who smoke weed
And they also have drug policies they enforce. Ours for whatever reason was viewed as being extremely rampant.
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So Coach you really believe there wasn't a single proven D1 coach from a mid major program that was willing to take our job.
No, I dont believe this at all. But I know we didnt even consider alot of different coaches for some reason. I'm not saying that Strick didnt make a shitty hire- but right now, at this point, we have no idea or any way to measure.
We wanted a guy to come in, clean things up, and bring a work ethic and discipline back into the program- and so far that's what we have. 2 of the 3 best coaches in our school's history were assistants with no head coaching experience when they got the job- don't forget that.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 1:47 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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If that makes any sense.
Nothing you have said in this thread makes sense and when people try to tell you that, you act like you didn't read it.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:08 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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And to your comment on drug problems, I'd be willing to bet every college basketball program in the SEC outside of Vandy has players who smoke weed
If this year is the alternative then let them do drugs, hell let them sell Meth out of the Hump but don't put this bullshite on the court and expect people to go watch. We should have been more concerned with keeping some of the current kids when finding a coach, specifically Hood. "Housecleaning" is an excuse people make for making a shitty hire, nobody ever calls a hire that until its apparent it sucks.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:21 pm to skirpnasty
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If this year is the alternative then let them do drugs, hell let them sell Meth out of the Hump but don't put this bullshite on the court and expect people to go watch. We should have been more concerned with keeping some of the current kids when finding a coach, specifically Hood. "Housecleaning" is an excuse people make for making a shitty hire, nobody ever calls a hire that until its apparent it sucks.
We were going to suck even if Stands had stayed. Stands went 15-15 in 2006 the last time State lost all 5 starters. And that is when we had some decent players leftover and the program wasnt a circus. Ray has also had 2 quality players tear their knees up to make this season even worse.
We got to live with it. The transition had to happen at some point.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:28 pm to Tds & Beer
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Nothing you have said in this thread makes sense and when people try to tell you that, you act like you didn't read it.
Posted on 11/10/12 at 12:17 am to Requiem For A Dawg
Posted on 11/10/12 at 10:40 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
I don't see how you can make any judgment about Rick Ray until you have watched him go through the season.
I remember walking out of The Hump early in Stansbury's career telling myself to never come back until he was gone or actually learned how to coach. Stans had some success, but I never felt that he did a great job developing players or improving the team during the season. I am SO glad that he is gone.
We aren't good. I am not going to rehash why. It is what it is. We just need to deal with it. What I want to see is some improvement during the season. Do individual players improve? Can he keep us in games where we have no chance from the opening tip?
Basketball isn't football or baseball. Things can turn around quickly with the addition of a few of the right people and development of what you already have.
I remember walking out of The Hump early in Stansbury's career telling myself to never come back until he was gone or actually learned how to coach. Stans had some success, but I never felt that he did a great job developing players or improving the team during the season. I am SO glad that he is gone.
We aren't good. I am not going to rehash why. It is what it is. We just need to deal with it. What I want to see is some improvement during the season. Do individual players improve? Can he keep us in games where we have no chance from the opening tip?
Basketball isn't football or baseball. Things can turn around quickly with the addition of a few of the right people and development of what you already have.
Posted on 11/10/12 at 10:47 am to Allyn McKeen
We should be jumping for joy over a one point loss to troy in our first game. Ray is looking good after one game imo. Of course i didnt see a single play though.
Posted on 11/10/12 at 12:21 pm to Tds & Beer
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We should be jumping for joy over a one point loss to troy in our first game. Ray is looking good after one game imo. Of course i didnt see a single play though.
A former Stansbury supporter posted on SPS that he went to the game and was surprised at how much better coached we looked. Said it's just really obvious we dont have the talent right now. Good to hear after his 1st game
Posted on 11/11/12 at 3:23 pm to CoonassBulldog
Better coaching with inferior talent won't win many games in the sec
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