re: What can we all agree on

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So having very little to no improvement in 3 years is not good enough ? He needs a 4th year ?

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Yes he does, inherited a shite sandwich from Muschump and still won 2 division championships and 19 games in his first 2 seasons. And don't try to say the East is down, it is, but there are 6 other coaches in the East would have liked one of those championships. This year suspensions, injuries, bad luck, hurricane canceled a practice game. Sure he deserves a 4th year and he will get one, without a doubt.

c- really! glade you weren't one of my school teachers.

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Yes he does, inherited a shite sandwich from Muschump and still won 2 division championships and 19 games in his first 2 seasons. And don't try to say the East is down, it is, but there are 6 other coaches in the East would have liked one of those championships. This year suspensions, injuries, bad luck, hurricane canceled a practice game. Sure he deserves a 4th year and he will get one, without a doubt.

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What grade would you give Muschamp? He seem to clean up the thugs on the team and now Mac is bring them back in but this time they don't have the talent that Meyers thugs had.

So 3 years with no progress means the coach needs a 4th year ? What will it take for Mac to get fired next year ?

Bad luck ? Besides the LSU game this year we have been lucky . If we had bad luck we would have lost to U.K. And Tennessee too.

I agree he inherited a crap offense from Muschamp but it shouldn't take 4 years to improve the offense and get to be average in the SEC.

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I think they should force him to overhaul his staff, but that's about it.

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So you think Mac is the man for the job ? Your are wanting to fired assistant coaches and add more buy outs. I would like to have money for a good head coach to replace Mac and adding more buyouts is not going to help with that ? This is not like Muschamp where his side of the ball was good . Mac is a offensive guy. Why does Mac need a great OC to win ? What happens if he hires one and that guy leaves after 2 years to be a head coach ? I hope the boosters don't feel like you guys or were are going to become Tennessee. We are falling behind in talent for a coach that hasn't improved his side of the ball in 3 years .

Why is Mac the head coach ? You guys don't believe in his ability to run the offense or defense and his recruiting is below average .

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I do feel his most ardent supporters keep moving the goal posts on when we should expect UF to be good again.

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From a very, very strict meaning this is correct -- but I don't know if it's useful here because the state of the team also changes.

I like his vision, especially when recruiting offensive talent -- which has been hard to come by in the last 8 years.

But, it's kind of hard to accept that we're not producing as we should be because of several key injuries to upperclassmen who, if they were playing, would contribute a whole hell of a lot more than what we have right now. (Not a knock against Davis or Toney).

So, the goals are changing along with the circumstances. McElwain's been fricked by injuries or suspensions his entire time here (first with Grier, now with the 10 players he lost before the season started).

And this is why I have mentioned luck previously. At some point, whether you are unlucky or just plain bad, you have to be held accountable for your team's performance on the field.

I think this offense would still have had a ton of problems even with Callaway and Scarlett both playing. I think they would have beat LSU with them on the team, but the fundamental, systemic flaws in this team's make up would remain.

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And this is why I have mentioned luck previously. At some point, whether you are unlucky or just plain bad, you have to be held accountable for your team's performance on the field.

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I think we all knew it'd be a serious work in progress for whoever took over the offense. I think we all said we'd have to wait at least three years before it came back.

Someone asked me: What ranking does the offense need for him to be fired.

I say, as long as he's winning and we're going in the right direction, and he's doing what he can with limited talent, give him a mulligan for the year.

He met his marks the last two years: SEC East, 1 - 1 for bowls. A blowout loss to Michigan his first year, a blowout win in the second.

That we're even talking about firing a guy who has thus far been that successful is kind of depressing.

I'd actually give him a shorter leash than offensive production, however, I think those kinds of stats are retarded anyway due to a multitude of factors.

I'd say get the pitchforks out if we go into the Texas A&M game and nothing has changed over the past week. Now he's had two weeks, should have won last week, but we know Franks is the guy.

He's had time to retool, and that's it.

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I think this offense would still have had a ton of problems even with Callaway and Scarlett both playing. I think they would have beat LSU with them on the team, but the fundamental, systemic flaws in this team's make up would remain.

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Bill Belichick got shut out by the Buffalo Bills when he lost his quarterback, Jimbo's entire season is fricked because of his quarterback, Jim Harbaugh just lost a very winnable game because he had a backup quarterback in the game.

None of them are bad coaches, yet all of them have had some pretty pisspoor results when their #1 goes down.

To say that this team would look the same with Callaway and Scarlett isn't honest, you and I both know this isn't true. They open more doors for the offense, more pressure for the cornerbacks, more eyes looking for the deep threat.

Then you took out Cleveland and Del Rio -- and for everyone who is saying Del Rio was bad...maybe. But, the offense was a whole hell of a lot smoother with him at center.

I hate the playcalling, and I'll give the staff this game to have thought something up.

If we get blown out, and there's no ingenuity on offense, we're all in the same boat and looking for someone new next year.