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Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 11/6/14 at 12:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
We really need to move pass the Driskel thing. It isn't helping anything. He is going to play some as a wildcat type QB and the threat of a pass is a plus compared to Matt Jones running it.
But lets focus on the road ahead. Recruiting will be trending upwards soon imo and USC game is vital to have the chance to show recruits what we are about...a team with chemistry.
But lets focus on the road ahead. Recruiting will be trending upwards soon imo and USC game is vital to have the chance to show recruits what we are about...a team with chemistry.
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Posted on 11/6/14 at 6:33 pm to reel_gator8
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We really need to move pass the Driskel thing. It isn't helping anything. He is going to play some as a wildcat type QB and the threat of a pass is a plus compared to Matt Jones running it.
But lets focus on the road ahead. Recruiting will be trending upwards soon imo and USC game is vital to have the chance to show recruits what we are about...a team with chemistry.
I just don't like people knocking him over something out of his control. I was also looking at him a few years ago against Tennessee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKzUSMAmN_8
The only difference? Receivers did their job. Totally different player when his team supports him.
Posted on 11/6/14 at 6:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-zHliwOtY
Compare it to this year vs. Tennessee and look at the difference. This is the Oline you guys were trying to defend?
Compare it to this year vs. Tennessee and look at the difference. This is the Oline you guys were trying to defend?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:01 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Oh you're right. I relent! Clearly Jeff Driskel is the best QB ever, and it's the entire Gator team to blame, not him. He would have easily won the fricking heisman trophy with a different team.... Who am I to question your amazing youtube watching skills...
Posted on 11/7/14 at 8:02 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
UT a few years ago also had one of the worst defenses in the modern era....
Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:38 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
When his team supports him? Haha
You realize the teams change over the years. Not the same personnel, etc.
Maybe the team was sick of the QB turning the ball over all of the time. The offense not being able to score points because of the QB's lack of production. It would be hard to blame those around Driskel for being upset with him and quitting on him. The offense has NEVER been CONSISTENTLY productive with him as QB.
You realize the teams change over the years. Not the same personnel, etc.
Maybe the team was sick of the QB turning the ball over all of the time. The offense not being able to score points because of the QB's lack of production. It would be hard to blame those around Driskel for being upset with him and quitting on him. The offense has NEVER been CONSISTENTLY productive with him as QB.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 9:58 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
His accuracy was one of the best cos all he did was throw short passes or routes where the receivers stops and waits for the ball. Look at his ypa coming into this year. Pretty bad.
Whenever you ask him to throw with anticipation or lead his WR, he was dreadful. He did hit some nice routes a couple of times in 2012 (corner route at TAMU and Tenn), but it was clear those were just flukes. He was horrible all other times. This was a point of emphasis by Pease so mint into 2013 and he is still bad at it. Similarly, throwing deep was a point of emphasis by Roper this year, and he is still horrible at it. Our WR were running open deep early and I think the only bomb he ever completed was to DRob in the LSU game. He was beyond shitty.
We actually asked him to do more stuff and be a play maker this year, and he failed miserably. It's time to move on. He hasn't developed any skill in 4 years and all he can do is laser passes to WRs standing still. He might be better than Treon now, but no point in keeping him in because he is not the answer here long term.
Whenever you ask him to throw with anticipation or lead his WR, he was dreadful. He did hit some nice routes a couple of times in 2012 (corner route at TAMU and Tenn), but it was clear those were just flukes. He was horrible all other times. This was a point of emphasis by Pease so mint into 2013 and he is still bad at it. Similarly, throwing deep was a point of emphasis by Roper this year, and he is still horrible at it. Our WR were running open deep early and I think the only bomb he ever completed was to DRob in the LSU game. He was beyond shitty.
We actually asked him to do more stuff and be a play maker this year, and he failed miserably. It's time to move on. He hasn't developed any skill in 4 years and all he can do is laser passes to WRs standing still. He might be better than Treon now, but no point in keeping him in because he is not the answer here long term.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:10 am to slayerxing
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Oh you're right. I relent! Clearly Jeff Driskel is the best QB ever, and it's the entire Gator team to blame, not him. He would have easily won the fricking heisman trophy with a different team.... Who am I to question your amazing youtube watching skills...
Yeah, when evidence conflicts with your bullshite it can be pretty devastating.
What else am I supposed to do, sit here and mindlessly talk about stats without the proper context?
Color me shocked you resort to tilting at windmills.
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:25 am to BasedGator
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His accuracy was one of the best cos all he did was throw short passes or routes where the receivers stops and waits for the ball. Look at his ypa coming into this year. Pretty bad.
No, simply untrue. I've posted several videos with him completing medium ranged passes with no problem. The difference is his receivers actually caught the ball of yesteryear. Apparently it wasn't "thrown too hard"
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Whenever you ask him to throw with anticipation or lead his WR, he was dreadful. He did hit some nice routes a couple of times in 2012 (corner route at TAMU and Tenn), but it was clear those were just flukes. He was horrible all other times. This was a point of emphasis by Pease so mint into 2013 and he is still bad at it. Similarly, throwing deep was a point of emphasis by Roper this year, and he is still horrible at it. Our WR were running open deep early and I think the only bomb he ever completed was to DRob in the LSU game. He was beyond shitty.
Bombs are difficult to complete -- especially since a ton of bombs he's thrown have been broken up due to pass interference (we had two in the first game, and almost one every game from thereon out) -- which don't show up on statistics. He's had some pretty good throws that would have been sure touchdowns had there not been PI and it's at a significant enough number to mention.
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We actually asked him to do more stuff and be a play maker this year, and he failed miserably. It's time to move on. He hasn't developed any skill in 4 years and all he can do is laser passes to WRs standing still. He might be better than Treon now, but no point in keeping him in because he is not the answer here long term.
I posted two videos from before -- and counted 9 dropped passes by receivers.
I think the toll is up to something like 31 on the year, but a lot of those drops have come on third and long, or even in the end zone against LSU -- and most of them have been pretty damn good throws.
https://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/91833/florida-receivers-cant-seem-to-catch-on
Most of you, and the commentators will simply blame Driskel -- because it's by far the easiest. Whenever he makes a terrible play (all quarterbacks do) it resounds more because you're waiting for him to fail in some way.
I would go back and look at how many tipped balls have ended up intercepted, how many bad routes have led to it, but even when I post Youtube videos it doesn't seem like anyone is interested in evaluating them.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 10:29 am to gatordmb89
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The offense has NEVER been CONSISTENTLY productive with him as QB.
Firstly: He isn't the only one who turns the ball over, it's a pretty concerted group effort with tipped balls that should have been caught that end up in enemy hands. Treon has turned the ball over in every game he's been in significantly -- but they're just quicker to forgive him.
So that can't be it.
And: When was the last time we've had an offense that was consistent with any quarterback?
Murphy? Nope.
Brisset? Nope.
Treon? Nope. (He still hasn't done a damn thing.)
Brantley? Nope.
You guys are really, really grabbing at straws in this argument. I don't think I've seen this much contorting just to down another guy with so little tangible evidence.
Muschamp just caved in to pressure, but as posted: The offense is not good if we're passing the long bomb on first down, running it second, and hoping Driskel will bail us out on third and long -- no offense runs well in that dynamic.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 11:50 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Dude I am still convinced that the reason Georgia didnt load the box to stop the run is because there is actual game film of Treon completing a pass thats deeper then 5 yards. Hell, Shane Matthews even said that on his radio show. 
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Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You want facts, right? Stone cold numbers...
Tennessee game: offense w/ Driskel- 0 points, Offense w/ Treon- 10 points
Missouri game: Offense with Driskel- 0 points, offense with Treon- 14 points
Georgia game: Offense with Treon- 38 points
Should we get into turnovers? Int's and fumbles?
Since all you care about is facts, let's look at the stats. Shall we?
Tennessee game: offense w/ Driskel- 0 points, Offense w/ Treon- 10 points
Missouri game: Offense with Driskel- 0 points, offense with Treon- 14 points
Georgia game: Offense with Treon- 38 points
Should we get into turnovers? Int's and fumbles?
Since all you care about is facts, let's look at the stats. Shall we?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:26 pm to olemc999
They didn't load the box because of personnel matching. A lot of 3 WR sets that's 3 CB's and 1 safety over the top. 7 in the box, against 6 blockers.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:44 pm to gatordmb89
I am still surprised they never went cover zero and run blitzed. They ran a 2-4-5 defense on a team that only passed the ball 6 times. 
This post was edited on 11/7/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 11/7/14 at 12:52 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
What evidence? You have no "evidence."
I posted solid fricking numbers that he put up while playing on the field. And you say, "oh context context context..."
The context is the team sucks with him at QB. And for some reason, SUCKS LESS without him. The eye test backs that up, the stats back that up, hell, professional analysts have backed that up.
The most important player on the field, 95% of the time in football, is the goddamn QB. He touches the ball on every play. He's supposed to know what everyone else on the field is doing on every given play. He is supposed to be the leader of the offense, in a perfect world, and he needs to make plays on 3rd down especially on a winning football team.
Jeff Driskel has never been any of those things. Yeah he knows where to line people up, but his leadership skills end about right there.
He can't convert third downs (i said in my stats there were 6 drops, even with those his stats are terrible).
The team has not played as well with him at QB since 2012. I have no idea why, and that part is certainly up for debate. But the performance of the team under his watch isn't. They were bad. He was bad too. They combined to make an awful offense that was somehow amazingly worse than the sum of its parts.
I'm not sold on Treon yet either. He has done NOTHING. That being said, he has provided a spark and players have played better with him in the game. Bottom line.
I posted solid fricking numbers that he put up while playing on the field. And you say, "oh context context context..."
The context is the team sucks with him at QB. And for some reason, SUCKS LESS without him. The eye test backs that up, the stats back that up, hell, professional analysts have backed that up.
The most important player on the field, 95% of the time in football, is the goddamn QB. He touches the ball on every play. He's supposed to know what everyone else on the field is doing on every given play. He is supposed to be the leader of the offense, in a perfect world, and he needs to make plays on 3rd down especially on a winning football team.
Jeff Driskel has never been any of those things. Yeah he knows where to line people up, but his leadership skills end about right there.
He can't convert third downs (i said in my stats there were 6 drops, even with those his stats are terrible).
The team has not played as well with him at QB since 2012. I have no idea why, and that part is certainly up for debate. But the performance of the team under his watch isn't. They were bad. He was bad too. They combined to make an awful offense that was somehow amazingly worse than the sum of its parts.
I'm not sold on Treon yet either. He has done NOTHING. That being said, he has provided a spark and players have played better with him in the game. Bottom line.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 1:16 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Let's look at every single interception thrown this year:
1. Kentucky - Jeff Driskel throws a bad pass under pressure. Terrible decisions.
2. Alabama - over throw to the safety
3. Alabama - throw into double coverage
4. Tennessee - misplayed in air by WR, - WE WON'T BLAME DRISKEL
5. Tennessee - Thrown right at MLB
6. Tennessee - dropped pass for INT to TE - WE WONT BLAME DRISKEL
7. LSU - Underthrown deep ball - INT
8. LSU - pass thrown into double coverage, receiver murdered, tipped INT
9. Mizzou - Driskel hit while throwing, dead duck INT - WE WONT BLAME DRISKEL
10. Mizzou - Under no pressure - throws into double coverage INT for TD
So on 10 INT's, Driskel is at fault in at least 7 of these. This idea that the offense let him down is BS.
And this doesn't even include the 3 fumbles he has this year on poor handoffs, and the 1 fumble he had against LSU that was on him. We'll blame the OL on the sack to Mizzou that lead to a fumble.
So, yeah, for the 15 turnovers he has this year, you can conceivably blame the rest of the offense for maybe 5 of those. But he is still responsible for most of these. And that doesn't include plays like HORRIBLY under throwing a wide open deep route to Drob against UT that was almost picked. Or all of the over throws.
Are those enough facts for you?
1. Kentucky - Jeff Driskel throws a bad pass under pressure. Terrible decisions.
2. Alabama - over throw to the safety
3. Alabama - throw into double coverage
4. Tennessee - misplayed in air by WR, - WE WON'T BLAME DRISKEL
5. Tennessee - Thrown right at MLB
6. Tennessee - dropped pass for INT to TE - WE WONT BLAME DRISKEL
7. LSU - Underthrown deep ball - INT
8. LSU - pass thrown into double coverage, receiver murdered, tipped INT
9. Mizzou - Driskel hit while throwing, dead duck INT - WE WONT BLAME DRISKEL
10. Mizzou - Under no pressure - throws into double coverage INT for TD
So on 10 INT's, Driskel is at fault in at least 7 of these. This idea that the offense let him down is BS.
And this doesn't even include the 3 fumbles he has this year on poor handoffs, and the 1 fumble he had against LSU that was on him. We'll blame the OL on the sack to Mizzou that lead to a fumble.
So, yeah, for the 15 turnovers he has this year, you can conceivably blame the rest of the offense for maybe 5 of those. But he is still responsible for most of these. And that doesn't include plays like HORRIBLY under throwing a wide open deep route to Drob against UT that was almost picked. Or all of the over throws.
Are those enough facts for you?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 2:32 pm to slayerxing
I think straws is related to Driskel. Hell, it might be JD.
Posted on 11/7/14 at 2:45 pm to slayerxing
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1. Kentucky - Jeff Driskel throws a bad pass under pressure. Terrible decisions.
A common theme in this.
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2. Alabama - over throw to the safety
Entirely catchable but a lazy receiver caused that interception.
Interception is at 17:30
The receiver clearly misjudges it in the air because he's fricking jogging his route. Seriously, watch these picks.
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3. Alabama - throw into double coverage
For sure Driskel's fault.
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4. Tennessee - misplayed in air by WR, - WE WON'T BLAME DRISKEL
Can't blame Driskel.
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5. Tennessee - Thrown right at MLB
Driskel's fault.
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6. Tennessee - dropped pass for INT to TE - WE WONT BLAME DRISKEL
Actually no one to blame, it's not an easy catch and the bounce isn't really anyone's fault.
3 - 3
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7. LSU - Underthrown deep ball - INT
Eh, this one is hard to pin on Driskel as much as it was a fantastic play by the CB. Sometimes there's nothing that can be done by the QB, and it was thrown relatively on target.
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8. LSU - pass thrown into double coverage, receiver murdered, tipped INT
It's a quick slant, it's designed that way. Just like the TE earlier it's not a drop and it's not the QB's fault that the ball squirted up into the air. It's generally a high percentage play. He hit his target.
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9. Mizzou - Driskel hit while throwing, dead duck INT - WE WONT BLAME DRISKEL
We can agree on this.
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10. Mizzou - Under no pressure - throws into double coverage INT for TD
And we agree on this.
5 - 5 isn't fantastic, but it isn't terrible. I provided the link, hopefully you watch it.
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And this doesn't even include the 3 fumbles he has this year on poor handoffs, and the 1 fumble he had against LSU that was on him. We'll blame the OL on the sack to Mizzou that lead to a fumble.
Three fumbles on poor handoffs? You're delusional. Go look at those fumbles again -- they all come from the same running back who fumbled with Treon in his game as well -- Matt Jones. He's horrible on the read option because he tries to yank the ball out instead of being patient.
Strange how no one talks about his fumbles.
Driskel is the turnover machine, right?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 2:48 pm to gatordmb89
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Tennessee game: offense w/ Driskel- 0 points, Offense w/ Treon- 10 points
These are facts without context. Treon started almost in the red zone his first drive -- it'd be convenient to not play a whole game and then come in and run a red zone offense that no one has been able to prepare for.
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Missouri game: Offense with Driskel- 0 points, offense with Treon- 14 points
Westbrook saved the frick out of Treon in the end zone after he threw it into quintiple coverage -- shame he couldn't do that for Driskel vs. LSU, a game you conveniently left off of this as well as Kentucky.
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Georgia game: Offense with Treon- 38 points
Yeah, which points did Treon score in this one with his six passes, half of which were completed?
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Since all you care about is facts, let's look at the stats. Shall we?
I care about context -- that's very important in a team sport........
You know, when 11 guys (or so) go out and work together to win games, and not just throw one under the buss when they don't produce?
Posted on 11/7/14 at 2:49 pm to roadGator
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I think straws is related to Driskel. Hell, it might be JD.
Christopher Hitchens said never be a spectator to unfairness or stupidity -- both of which run rampant on this board regarding Driskel.
It's not like I haven't provided any evidence or have been opaque. I just don't want people shitting on Driskel for what's been a team problem.
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