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re: Reel...(and reflections)

Posted on 11/2/14 at 11:44 am to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 11/2/14 at 11:44 am to
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I will add my .03 worth: The OL was chewed out good after the Mizzou game and the coaches had a meeting with the OL to ask them to remember what it was like when they were frosh and playing in the WLOCP for the first time...and to consider what Treon would go through if they didn't give max effort. It worked.


I was actually going to suggest coaching (although that would seem farfetched to most posters I think). We already had this discussion, too: The team needs to play like this no matter who is quarterback, coach or any other position. You give your max no matter what.

If it's true, we may be in bigger trouble than I thought.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 11/2/14 at 2:45 pm to
Do you really think the coaches would have only thrown 6 times wirh driskel in the game? I seriously doubt it.
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 11/2/14 at 4:08 pm to
Yeah if Driskel was in there they would of felt inclined to take more chances in the passing game which would of lead to 2 ints at the minimum. That would of changed the entire complexion of the game.
This post was edited on 11/2/14 at 4:09 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/2/14 at 4:39 pm to
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Do you really think the coaches would have only thrown 6 times wirh driskel in the game? I seriously doubt it.


Why would they, though? It's just a bizarre way to coach a team. If we can be successful on the ground -- why take so many chances down the field? Especially when it hasn't worked.

We took one in the Georgia game -- and it didn't work. I understand that they want to take chances with Driskel, but it's like they don't understand the spread fundamentally. Short, quick gains to open up the longer ones.

Now we won't run our quarterback or let him throw.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/2/14 at 4:41 pm to
It's not like Muschamp is completely alien to playing conservatively.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/2/14 at 6:16 pm to
Idk if people remember, but we used almost the exact same gameplan at South Carolina last year and nearly pulled off the W with Skylar at QB.
Posted by reel_gator8
Seminole,Fl
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 11/3/14 at 3:38 pm to
Passing is way way over rated....look at UGA...they had over 300 yds passing and got steam rolled.

I will take ugly wins over beautiful losses every time.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/3/14 at 6:10 pm to
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Passing is way way over rated....look at UGA...they had over 300 yds passing and got steam rolled.

I will take ugly wins over beautiful losses every time.


As long as we use it to supplement the run and vice versa we'll be better moving forward. The long bombs, trying to make highlight reel passes are not good for moving the chains.

Also, Reel, I'm sorry man. I should have never talked to you that way and was way out of line. Welcome back and Go Gators.
Posted by LuciusSulla
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/3/14 at 11:43 pm to
I've been watching highlights tonight, and Demarcus Robinson's play Saturday was just amazing. Every one of those long runs you can find him just blocking the hell out of people through the whole play. It was a really impressive performance on his part.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/3/14 at 11:54 pm to
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I've been watching highlights tonight, and Demarcus Robinson's play Saturday was just amazing. Every one of those long runs you can find him just blocking the hell out of people through the whole play. It was a really impressive performance on his part.


I want to watch the entire game all over again, and of course I think Robinson was one of the unsung heroes of that game.

It sucks when you're a receiver and the team just doesn't throw that much, but I'm sure he'll get a lot more his way next year.
Posted by LuciusSulla
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2010
2759 posts
Posted on 11/3/14 at 11:58 pm to
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It sucks when you're a receiver and the team just doesn't throw that much, but I'm sure he'll get a lot more his way next year.


It has to, but there are several shots of him with Jones and Taylor bumping chests after big runs. Really selfless game on his part, and he and the other receivers just playing their asses off as blockers I think was key to winning that game.

I don't think we're hanging up passing for this season though. He may have his time to shine before 2015 gets here.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 12:02 am to
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It has to, but there are several shots of him with Jones and Taylor bumping chests after big runs. Really selfless game on his part, and he and the other receivers just playing their asses off as blockers I think was key to winning that game.

I don't think we're hanging up passing for this season though. He may have his time to shine before 2015 gets here.


I know this is going to seem defeatist but -- I kind of want to just save him. I don't want to put him into too much trouble, or get knocked around, or turn him into a headcase like Driskel.

I mean, we'll throw -- we'll have to, but I just really don't want to frick up another quarterback until the next HC comes in. (IF the next HC comes in.)

If Muschamp wins out, I think we'd end up having to keep him.
Posted by LuciusSulla
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2010
2759 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 12:24 am to
Muschamp is staying if he wins the next four. Foley doesn't want to fire him. I think he would if the rest of the season looked like that Mizzou game, but if Champ finished with 8 or 9 wins, there is no way he is going.

Personally, I'm OK with that if we just look like a consistent, operational team in November. I have never been in the Muschamp-is-a-shitty-coach camp. I have drifted in and out of the camp that thinks that for whatever reason, he would never work at Florida. Sometime a situation just goes so far that it can't be unfricked no matter who is involved, and I had started to believe that was the case for Champ.

Then Saturday, we come out and play like we're on fire. One dimensional, yes, but everyone was playing lights out in that one dimension like I honestly haven't seen since he got here. The line play and everything on offense was just beautiful - just old school, fundamental excellence. Pretty much what he came in preaching.

So now, I just don't know what to think. I love that style of football. A lot of people hate it, but I love a team that can line up and basically say, "Even if you know what's coming, you can't do anything about it because we are better, stronger, and meaner than you." If Muschamp can pull this team from where it was prior to Georgia, build on what they have now, and finish the season strong, I have to admit that I am really curious to see what having a year of stability might mean.

I also know you're partial to Driskel, and he really is a good kid. I have no idea what happened there, but I don't think all QBs are doomed to regress here under this staff. I think more than anything, Driskel came to Florida at a time that could not have been worse for him and that Muschamp's own learning curve with coordinators and what you can and can't force a team to be didn't help at all. I actually don't blame Muschamp for that as it is what I kind of expect from a first time HC. I do think Muschamp MIGHT have started to see the way the pieces fit after last year, but it is probably to late for Driskel. I wish he'd go to grad school somewhere else next year and see what he could do with a fresh start and no baggage with his final year of eligibility.
This post was edited on 11/4/14 at 12:24 am
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/4/14 at 12:34 am to
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Muschamp...


I said earlier that if he could win out let's keep him. He showed that he can motivate his team, ran a smart strategy (although a lot of people will see it as hamfisted or unintelligent) and won a big if not giant game.

I never liked him, but if he produces results there's no way you can argue against them.

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I also know you're partial to Driskel...


All I can say is: When players decide who the quarterback is by deliberately playing less than 110% it bothers me.

Driskel has played hard in every game he has ever started, and whether or not people think Murphy should have been the starter, or Brisset, or Treon -- they should have given him what they gave all of them.

If they're content with losing just to get rid of a quarterback, I think that's 1. Incredibly fricked up and 2. A sign that the inmates are running the prison.

I still don't think he's bad, but I think he's been in bad circumstances since he first got here.

He had to switch to pro (joke), then he had to go straight into the fire after Brantley went down, got absolutely slammed the first year he started (because of coach discretion), broke his leg after that and then came back to a team that didn't want him as quarterback.

Losing because of politics has got to be one of the stupidest reasons to lose.
Posted by LuciusSulla
Oxford, MS
Member since Nov 2010
2759 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 12:50 am to
I don't think the team plotted against him. I think a lot of that were people that hated Driskel playing and saw what they wanted to see.

It seems we are better with Harris. They seemed to play better at Tennessee, and while Harris didn't do anything Driskel couldn't have Saturday, the whole team does seem better. My personal opinion is that it just became this intangible bit of psychology at work. I don't think it was anything conscious on the team's part, and I'm willing to bet a lot of those guys would take a bullet for Driskel to this day. When he was in, the offense didn't think it could win, and as soon as something went wrong, it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. They probably don't even understand it beyond a gut level. So yeah, it may be fair to say they weren't giving 100 percent to Driskel, but it may have not been exactly a conscious effort on their part to foil him either.

That's one of the things I love about football, seeing the way group dynamics play out in very stressful environment.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54304 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 7:05 am to
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My personal opinion is that it just became this intangible bit of psychology at work.


And this is really it. Harris didn't do shite Saturday. He just wasnt Driskel.

And none of us will ever really know how much that meant to the team.
Posted by slayerxing
Gainesville
Member since Feb 2010
11045 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 7:38 am to
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And this is really it. Harris didn't do shite Saturday. He just wasnt Driskel.

And none of us will ever really know how much that meant to the team.


This. It's not that Driskel was so bad, all on his own. The team contributed to his shitty stats. Big time. But a team is always more or less than the sum of it's parts, and with Driskel, the team just didn't play as well. We noticed it last year after he got hurt and Murphy came in (before Murphy got hurt) and the same thing happened again this year.

The team just didn't seem to like Driskel. Ever.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30733 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 8:06 am to
2 things and we can put the Driskel talk to bed.

1) He turned the ball over way too much.

2) He wasn't a true leader. Not by example l, nor verbally.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 10:29 am to
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2 things and we can put the Driskel talk to bed.

1) He turned the ball over way too much.

2) He wasn't a true leader. Not by example l, nor verbally.


Difficult to lead when no one will block, run or catch for you because they wanted to see their homeboy Murphy in the offense rather than you.

Someone said: We'll never know...

And I agree.

I also don't think anyone deliberately sabotaged him, but I also don't think anyone played as hard as they could. If Westbrook had caught that potential Game Winning pass, it would have been two times that Driskel pulled games out of the jaws of defeat -- but, alas.

They just weren't inspired by him enough.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54304 posts
Posted on 11/4/14 at 11:31 am to
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I also don't think anyone deliberately sabotaged him, but I also don't think anyone played as hard as they could. If Westbrook had caught that potential Game Winning pass, it would have been two times that Driskel pulled games out of the jaws of defeat -- but, alas.


Well, again... The Miami game last year, the Tennessee pick 6, the whole Alabama game, the whole Tennessee game, the end of the LSU game..

Its a pattern. I agree with you in that I dont think Driskel was deliberately sabotaged.

But I do think his inconsistent performances demoralized the team enough to where a new face was needed at QB regardless of how well Driskel was playing at times.
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