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re: Feleipe Franks' Pass Breakdown, and how he can improve.

Posted on 9/15/18 at 3:38 pm to
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

Time for for a change at QB



He is literally making the exact same mistakes as last week.

Time for people to give me credit, too.
Posted by JortsOnTheRise
AL
Member since Aug 2012
241 posts
Posted on 9/15/18 at 3:38 pm to
See my post
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/24/18 at 11:23 am to
These #'s are mostly for me (thru CSU game):

Short Passes: 21 - 23 (91%)
Intermediate Passes: 4 - 20 (20%)
Deep Passes: 2 - 7 (29%)

Short passes continue to be Franks' bread and butter, but the pass selection is peculiar considering his handicap.

Intermediate/Deep passes make up over 50% of his pass selection in spite of being 6 - 27 (22%). Will update for Tennessee game soon, as it should help with his deep statistics as well - giving credibility to those saying that the deep ball is somewhat a specialty for him.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:01 pm to
Pass selection through UT game:

Short Passes: 25 - 27 (92%)
Intermediate Passes: 6 - 31 (19%)
Deep Passes: 5 - 10 (50%)

61% of the passes are Intermediate/Deep. (27% of passes are completed at this range.)

Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:02 pm to
You need a woman, dude
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39438 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:08 pm to
He’s gonna say the girl in his avi is his gf.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:11 pm to
Am not.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 7:11 pm to
Just to spite you.
Posted by Bbobalou
HOGTOWN
Member since Oct 2012
5490 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 10:25 pm to
I’m torn between reading this or not. I like the information and thoughts but not the banter.

If that makes sense. The team as a whole is looking better prepared and cohesive.
Posted by Louisiana Gator
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2012
717 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 10:26 pm to
Well is she?
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/25/18 at 10:33 pm to
Yes, she's my girlfriend. Now I can't spite Finch.

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To others who want the information and not the banter:

Franks is extremely accurate, way above average, in his short passes.

He is in the 100s in the intermediate to deep range.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
9153 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 9:35 am to

Franks is behind in his reads. That is why he has bad intermediate routes. Those throws typically require a QB to see it open up before it does. It is an improvement over last year were he never saw it. Hopefully he can continue to improve.

There have been a lot of drops on intermediate routes. The WR and TE needs to clean that up.

I am much happier with his play overall with getting out of negative plays by throwing it away or running when things are not there.

Only 2 INTs in 4 games that is less than the FSU game last year.

Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Franks is behind in his reads. That is why he has bad intermediate routes. Those throws typically require a QB to see it open up before it does. It is an improvement over last year were he never saw it. Hopefully he can continue to improve.

There have been a lot of drops on intermediate routes. The WR and TE needs to clean that up.


The Kentucky game was where there were drops on both sides of the ball, as well as CSU. The ones in CSU were kind of wishy washy because the throw out of the backfield to Scarlett needed a lot more air under it.

The one against I think it was Lewis was more because the CSU player was literally tackling him before the ball got there -- so I didn't fault us for that incompletion.





But I mean, this has been happening in every game we've played so far and even a lot last year. Not sure why Florida gets so few pass interference penalties when defensive backs literally tackle our players before the ball is even close.

quote:

I am much happier with his play overall with getting out of negative plays by throwing it away or running when things are not there.


He's getting better at this as the weeks go on, his reading speed is very slow, though, and it causes him to throw it away rather than scramble for a few yards. There have been tons of times where the OL parted and he cold have just ran up the field for 6 - 10 yards instead of throwing it away/being sacked.

quote:

Only 2 INTs in 4 games that is less than the FSU game last year.



There were a lot of defenders dropping his passes in the Kentucky game (as evidenced before). However, we've also had very easy games these last two weeks, especially against Tennessee.

Hopefully, as I said: He will continue to use this year as a way to get comfortable in the pocket and make the shorter passes. I understand fans are a bit restless and want our vertical game, but I don't think Franks is anywhere close to being near 50% of his downfield passes, regardless of drops it wouldn't make up enough to have even 30% (which is closer to the average).

Checkdowns and simple passing patterns/reads will help him get accustomed to the game.

Oh, and don't let him run anymore. He almost died last weekend.

Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12818 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 7:27 pm to
So you don’t trust Mullins evaluation of the QBs ?

Who should start over Franks and why ? There is no reason for Trask to start because he has less talent and experience then Franks . Jones is a better fit for the offense and also has a lot of talent but he may not be ready to start because he is only a true freshmen. If Jones catches on to the offense and Mullen thinks he is ready then he should get some playing time unless he wants to redshirt. If you bench Franks for Trask then Franks transfers after the season. And we pray that Jones or a true freshmen will be ready to start or we suck next year . There is no reason to start a different QB .
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 7:40 pm to
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So you don’t trust Mullins evaluation of the QBs ?


I trust man's ego will hold him back from changing his mind. This isn't new to Mullen. Remember Tyler Russell when the entire world knew Dak Prescott was better and it took him getting a concussion before Mullen would change his mind?

quote:

Who should start over Franks and why ?


It entirely depends on what our expectations are this year. Trask is undeniably a better passer theoretically. In the small gametime experience he's had, he's protected the ball and made some very tight passes, the third and long when it mattered. (Our third and long numbers are awful).

For Jones, he offers, I believe, a more consistent play at running the ball but we're obviously not going to try the AUburn run 80% but use spread elements.

In the end, I don't expect anyone else to start, even though I think both choices offer something better than what Franks does talent wise. Trask throws better, Jones is more agile and more of an athlete.

It's way too late to change QBs at this point, but it doesn't change the fact that Franks is the last weak link on the team. You literally can't complain about any other position last two months than the one hitting 50% and stalling drives.

And who cares if Franks transfers? He's not going to beat out either of the Jones' in 2020, so him transferring one year earlier doesn't do anything.

Franks, until he proves it, does not have a future at QB. Look at NFL QBs and see how many keep their jobs with 47% of their passes completed. Worst of all we've only played an FCS, a team who lost to an FCS, the second worst team in the SEC and Kentucky.
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

Trask is undeniably a better passer theoretically.



Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
20817 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 7:58 pm to
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undeniably
quote:

theoretically.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:17 pm to
Nick de la Torre
@NickdelaTorreGC
Aug 16
Yeah, just a blister he’s been dealing with on his middle finger since the first week of camp. So not an “injury” but something that will hurt his accuracy.

Lethal Stupidity
@signatureBKP
Aug 16
But he was more accurate than any other qb a couple days ago

Nick de la Torre
@NickdelaTorreGC
Aug 16
Yeah, he’s the most accurate of the QBs

I mean, it's literally what everyone who actually watches practice (Nick De La Torre is a writer who covers the Gators) -- and of course you can also see it in the Spring Game highlighted by how many contested passes he completed (7) to Franks (0) and (8) passes completed at the intermediate level vs. Franks (0).

He's never seen an opposing defense, but it's no secret that Trask is a better pure passer than Franks.

You guys gotta stop acting like I'm kicking your dog every time I say something that's unflattering about your boyfriend.
This post was edited on 9/26/18 at 8:19 pm
Posted by atlgator
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:27 pm to
I was laughing at the “undeniably better theoretically” phrasing

No worries my man

Watch your mouth about my quarterbacks though
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 9/26/18 at 8:41 pm to
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I was laughing at the “undeniably better theoretically” phrasing


I literally couldn't think of a better way to say that.

I mean, he passes better in practice/scrimmage but there's no way to know if that translates to the game, so it's just in theory (until he proves it either way in real game time).

quote:

Watch your mouth about my basketball player cosplaying as a quarterback though


Alrigh', alrigh'.
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