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DC in waiting??

Posted on 1/29/20 at 10:20 pm
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 1/29/20 at 10:20 pm
Just saw on twitter that Charlie Strong is being brought in as an analyst.

Sorry no link, in a hurry just wanted to share
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 1/29/20 at 11:06 pm to
I think it's just a rumor right now, and since this site is a little less dog pile:

Grantham did not have a great defense this year. We failed to play a winning strategy in four of our biggest games (SEC Opener, UGA, LSU and Virginia). Kentucky had over 400 yards against us, UGA went 12 - 18 on third down, LSU hit nearly 95% of their passes and UVA's quarterback had a career high for touchdown passes against our defense.

Charlie would be a fantastic option since he has Florida connections, won't be here for a long time (it gives Robinson a better shot at being a DC in a few years when Strong does leave) and I think this is ultimately a good get.

Give Grantham one more year to fix his mindset, if he doesn't work out -- Coach Strong recruits up a storm for two years and eventually leaves for another job, which lets us promote Robinson.
Posted by atlgator
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:38 am to
Analyst position per Pat Dooley.

God I hope he’s not the defensive coordinator in waiting. The game has passed him by.
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:39 am to
Dat crootin doe!
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 9:56 am to
LINK

Another addition on Offense
Posted by olemc999
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:01 am to
Kerwin Bell would be a great passing game coordinator.
Posted by Bbobalou
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 4:09 pm to
Great hires if true.

Posted by Gatorbait2008
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 4:13 pm to
Grantham needs good man corners for his defense to be effective. If Elam and Dean do well outside this year our defense will be nasty.

We've been doing a lot with three stars and depth issues. This season we have four stars on the two deep and a lot more talent overall. So he should be fine.

He will be in the NFL in time. His defense is a good scheme surprised he hasn't already gone. Once he does Strong is right there to take his place.
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 5:31 pm to
We had Henderson and/or Wilson. Both of them are top flight DBs, even Kaiir made his best plays in press man.

His problem is that he refused to play press against teams like LSU and Georgia, who have had blueprints on how to at least slow them down.

If we get beat one on one deep, okay, they made the better play.

I fricking hate, despise, loathe, ABHOR, letting teams dink and dunk down the field with no resistance and we did it multiple times this year. We were content to give them 5 yards a pass and just march.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 6:04 pm to
Zero passrush with Z n Greenard hurt most of the season.
Corners are good but our safeties cant cover.
QBs standing tall in the pocket with all day to throw doesnt help either. Scheme is irrelevant at that point

We didnt get a sniff in the UGA/LSU games
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/30/20 at 10:53 pm to
Bend don't break works in a lot of ways. He sets it up to not let explosive plays happen and relies on turnovers and disruptive plays to stall drives. Considering how explosive offenses are it isn't a bad scheme. The issue for him always has been third and long. It's like he turns full retard with it.

A big issue is his scheme is fairly complex and it seems at times the safeties are lost in it. It's very similar to what they run in New England. The big difference is we struggled in man coverage. Henderson was really the only DB most of the year who held his own in man. Until Wilson moved inside and Elam started playing more.

Top Billin has done a couple of good videos on it, and I know you like him.

Don't over estimate our overall defensive talent these last two years. Look at the NFL draft from this year. We don't have a lot of highly rated players going. Henderson is the only one, and he has been injured most of the year. We got a lot with little depth and lower rated players.

Now we have some veterans as Seniors,but a strong mix of much more talented players as sophomores and freshman. That will be huge. I think you may be a little hard on Todd, which is fine. But he will do very well with the right tools. Having Davis and Wilsom come back will be big, and Dean moving outside will help him a lot.

Our pass rushers will be nasty. Our entire line is now full of four and five stars on defense. I expect a lot
This post was edited on 1/30/20 at 11:05 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

We don't have a lot of highly rated players going.


This is true.

Except for Zuniga, Greenard, David Reese, Shuler and Ancrum.

We have/had a ton of defensive talent.

When you're playing 6 - 7 yards off of the ball all game and just letting teams do whatever they want as they march to the end zone and possess the ball, you're taking our offense out of the game.

Example: Georgia game.

If you guys think we wanted to go 12 - 18 on third down, well.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

This is true.

Except for Zuniga, Greenard, David Reese, Shuler and Ancrum.

We have/had a ton of defensive talent.

When you're playing 6 - 7 yards off of the ball all game and just letting teams do whatever they want as they march to the end zone and possess the ball, you're taking our offense out of the game.

Example: Georgia game.

If you guys think we wanted to go 12 - 18 on third down, well.


Agreed. Plenty of talent in all positions on defense. (Safety needed to be deeper but Davis and Stewart are talented)

You brought up the UK, LSU, UGA, and UVA games earlier. The defense gave up a lot of 3rd downs in those games. 3rd and Grantham is real.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 1:47 pm to

Will Sammon
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@WillSammon

Kerwin Bell has not been offered a position at UF, sources said.

Possible it could end up happening, but there are a few candidates as of now for an analyst job at UF, from what I understand, and nothing yet offered.
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2:25 PM - Jan 31, 2020

Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

You brought up the UK, LSU, UGA, and UVA games earlier. The defense gave up a lot of 3rd downs in those games. 3rd and Grantham is real.


And for the entire opposite reason for his nickname. He didn't blitz and paid for a lot. Receivers catching the ball with no one even within two yards of them, tons of dink and dunk YAC.

We had the personnel, Grantham just did the complete opposite of what he's known for -- blitzing and playing press man.

Really wish he did it this season.
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 2:58 pm to
quote:


And for the entire opposite reason for his nickname. He didn't blitz and paid for a lot. Receivers catching the ball with no one even within two yards of them, tons of dink and dunk YAC.

We had the personnel, Grantham just did the complete opposite of what he's known for -- blitzing and playing press man.

Really wish he did it this season.


He had such a great game plan for UGA. We shutdown the UGA rungame and got them 3rd and Long a ton.

Bring the heat with some press.
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 3:19 pm to
That talent had a lot of flaws. Reese couldn't cover well and was slow, but a smart player. Zuniga always hurt. Schuler and Ancrum were good but in no way elite DTs.

SEC elite level we weren't there yet. We need more talent than that. Our coaches coached up a lot of guys, now they have talent that has a much higher ceiling.

I do not know what game tape you are watching that makes you think we had great man corners. We had one. Henderson. Who was hurt. The rest got beat regularly and it was pretty obvious. Wilson has no ability to play the ball. Dean doesn't have the hips to turn in the slot and got exposed regularly. Elam was good later in the year but had growing pains. Then add safeties struggled in coverage and you really can't play man as often as we would like.
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 3:23 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 8:47 pm to
quote:

That talent had a lot of flaws.


No team is perfect.

quote:

Reese couldn't cover well and was slow, but a smart player. Zuniga always hurt. Schuler and Ancrum were good but in no way elite DTs.



So his defense can only function with elite players?

I'm sorry, this is exactly the opposite of what's necessary for a team to be elite. If you are only successful when everything is going your way, you are not successful.

See: Feleipe Franks.

If his defense can only be elite when he has every single piece in place, then he shouldn't be coaching college ball.

quote:

I do not know what game tape you are watching that makes you think we had great man corners.


They sure as shite weren't good in soft zone.

I'd rather give them a chance and let them use their raw talent than watch them get consecutively beat underneath to just let the opposing offense dunk on them whenever they wanted.

Example: UVA.

Dude hit his career high for touchdown passes against us.

Dude plays in the fricking ACC where defense is optional.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

So his defense can only function with elite players?

Name a defense that functions with shitty ones
For as great of a mind that Saban is defensively, theres reasons those Chargers roll off the lots for those 5 star LBs
quote:

If his defense can only be elite when he has every single piece in place, then he shouldn't be coaching college ball.

NO, and I repeat NO DEFENSE works with little to no pass rush. ANY QB worth a damn can find an open wr with time just like ANY QB with ppl in his face can look bad.

"If you cant get pressure, then you cant play the 46 Defense."
-Mike Singletary-

quote:

Example: UVA. Dude hit his career high for touchdown passes against us.

And how many sacks were missed? Its not on the DC when you put 2-3 guys in the face of the QB and they cant bring him down, Cmon man.

A lot of you guys should coach ball so you can know that feeling when you call the perfect play and the ball is dropped or the tackle is missed ect and everyone blames YOU
This post was edited on 1/31/20 at 9:57 pm
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Member since Sep 2013
21146 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:58 pm to
Who coaches the defense to make those sacks, secure tackles?

And did you just call Florida players shitty? There isn't a single position that's below average, let alone shitty.

Grantham had the personnel and shite the bed for the biggest games of the year.

That happened, there's evidence -- statistically and visually.

Unless he changes the scheme, it doesn't matter how good our players are.
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