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re: 2024 Recruiting Class

Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:30 pm to
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Fisch


alot of folks on 247 want this guy mainly because he's an alum and he GA'd under Spurrier. imo.... sounds like another Billy hire.


Fisch had one good year, this year.

He might be a good coach but I agree, too unproven.

He went 1-11 his first season, then went I think 5-7 or something last year.

I don't know, he needs to show more.

Now Lane, I can get behind that hire two years ago.
Posted by Partha
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

could be something, could be nothing. the guy created an account 15 minutes ago.



I'm not on discord, but a Gator forum I'm on copied a pasted a discord discussion.

Basically some guys who claimed to have some inside info are saying that some boosters, newer/younger ones, are ready to move on especially if the class falls apart.

A lot of them are on the Lane train. The older boosters might need some convincing, but that's where we're at.

I have no clue if Discord discussions are reputable at all so I didn't bother post it here, but since you posted that tidbit I figured I'd share what I read.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:45 pm to
Lagway is at Florida this weekend. Don’t see him darting for ATM.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 9:52 pm
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

Lagway is at Florida this weekend. Don’t see him darting for ATM.


He's staying until Sunday.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:46 pm to
Has a top offense with UF ties. Doing well at AZ

I’d be ok with it. Just not sure bout his recruiting, going up against Nick n Kirby ain’t for the faint of heart
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:48 pm to
Wouldn’t mind Lane at this point.

Clearly he wants the job
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:50 pm to
Thanks for sharing
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

Clearly he wants the job


is it really that clear or is he trolling?
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:11 pm to
quote:

is it really that clear or is he trolling?

Both
Posted by dbuchanon
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:20 pm to
Yep, this

Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
7268 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:26 pm to
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Wouldn’t mind Lane at this point.

Clearly he wants the job


Lane was who I thought we should have hired to replace Mullen.

But maybe the time wasn't right.

A lot of people who objected to Kiffin talk about him bouncing around too much, being a flight risk. But then he's been at Ole Miss for as long as any coach as we've had since Urban left (longer than most of them actually) and seems like he has matured enough to settle down a bit.

Another critique back in 2021 was he was riding Matt Corral's coattails to get to 10 wins. Well, he just picked up 10 wins again, with his only losses being Bama and UGA, and also beat a top 25 Tulane as one of his OOC games, so he didn't just feast on cupcakes like Mullen would do at Miss State to get to 10 wins this year.

I get that he had a pretty rough past about 10 years ago. Many people who object to him still focus on him being tarmacked.

Back then, I hated Lane when he was at USC, and Bama, (didn't care of him at Tennessee, as I hate all things Tennessee, but he didn't really stick around long enough for that sentiment to cultivate). I remember watching the El Paso Sun Bowl when GT beat USC and then when Lane got Tarmacked. I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed seeing Jimbo and Jameis get humiliated by Oregon in the Rose Bowl, or all those hilariously heartbreaking losses we administered to UGA and Tennessee over the years.

But now I think he's grown in to a good coach who understands the modern CFB as well as anyone can. While Kirby is doing damn well, it seems even he's facing some challenges with the changes of the past 2-3 years with the portal and NIL. Saban is Saban, so he always finds a way to adapt, but looking at how Lane is attacking the portal and building a roster at Ole Miss, with the resources we're giving Napier, I think that he could do well at UF.

I know people said the same about Mullen (not me, I never was a fan), but to me Lane is leveraging his resources to actually build a 2020s college football program that can make a 12 team playoff. Mullen, to his credit, could take a crappy roster of offensive players and make them somewhat functional. He never was a truly elite offensive mind like Lane or Sark. I wouldn't say Mullen is total garbage as an offensive mind but he's like Rich Rod: he had his time and day, and it has passed. Lane and Sark really keep current and set the standards for offensive play (maybe can include Lincoln Riley, though I think he's a bit overrated).

Anyway, long sort of melt to say I wish we hired Lane back in 2021, but it's better late than never!
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
7268 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:33 pm to
So this thread is kind of going off the rails like our recruiting class might be, but I wanted to add that right now I have nearly zero excitement about 2024 under Napier.

I hate to say it, because I like the guy, and really wanted to give him a shot, but his slow off-season approach has really lost me. I gave him a total pass for anything that went wrong in year 1, and have been defending him and making excuses all of this season.

I maintained that I would evaluate what he does in the off-season to form an opinion about what I think about him and the trajectory of the program under him.

Well, there's still some time to persuade me otherwise, but it'll take multiple miracles for him to convince me otherwise at this moment.

So while Napier has me, right now, dreading 2024 football, if he were replaced with Lane sometime in the next few weeks I'd totally be ready to ride
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:34 pm to
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Gator forum I'm on copied a pasted a discord discussion.


i'd like to see this forum/discord server
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

'd like to see this forum/discord server


Let me see if I can find the text
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
7268 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:43 pm to
I think this is a mix of copy and paste from the discord and then at the bottom some notes on the discussion from the guy who posted it

quote:

Poster
@paulalan - is the momentum building among the power broker folks for LK?

Paul Alan
There’s always been a split between old money/new money boosters. I know of a group that would absolutely step up to support Lane and have wanted Lane. The old money folks would take some convincing.

The next week is going to be really interesting. I could see the tides on BN turn quickly.

Poster
Tides turning as I’m gone before the season quickly?

Paul
This class really falls apart and it’s possible

Poster
So there is a potential path forward with the old money? That’s pretty big if so.

Paul
Lane is a likable guy. I think a fishing trip or two with the right people could smooth things over.

All Lane talk aside, the most important thing is that Stricklin is fired.

Paul mentioned Rob Mullens - Oregon AD as one he likes.


This was posted within the past 24-48 hours btw.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 11:49 pm
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19898 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:52 pm to
I think Billy knows if Lagway flips he’s done. More than likely why he’s camping out on DJs porch

It would be a huge price to pay.

I’ve always believed in the saying “Anything that’s going to be done eventually should be done immediately”
If the brass is already wavering on Billy then go ahead and do it
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
37923 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:55 pm to
i honestly believe stricklin goes before napier. stricklin won't pick the next hire.

but that all depends on sasse.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
7268 posts
Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:57 pm to
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If the brass is already wavering on Billy then go ahead and do it


I mean, the way I see it, look at the fanbase expectations.

Finch is a mod for this forum, and definitely not a troll-type of negator poster, and he sincerely started a thread that was not trying to be funny about whether or not we'll win more than 2-3 games next season.

A lot of talk has been if Napier can get more than 5-6 wins next year, again not amongst the loony negators on 247, but fans with moderate temperaments, old school guys who remember 1979 and are more patient than the post-Spurrier or Urban era fans, and the like.

I wouldn't say I'm the most patient, at the same time I definitely felt like I gave the guy a legit chance to give me something to believe in that he can right the ship. Every time he's shown a glimmer, he fails to maintains it and makes 2-3 major mistakes that set things back further.

For me, this off-season, lack of firing, lack of hiring, lack of portal moves, and potentially the class falling apart, have all really just made me get to that point where I was at when Muschamp lost on a punt block to SCar in 2014, when Mac lost to Michigan in 2017, and when Mullen lost to Kentucky in 2021.
Posted by Partha
Member since Jan 2022
7268 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 12:07 am to
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i honestly believe stricklin goes before napier. stricklin won't pick the next hire.


I hope so.

I feel like both him and Billy overcomplicate things.

It's great that the university finally decided to devote Saban-like resources to a coach, but why do so with a guy who never had coached a P5 game as HC in his life?

Like for Stricklin, if you want to go cheap with an up-and-comer, then go cheap with him. Why are you spending all this money and resources on a guy who really hadn't earned it yet at the SEC level. Kudos to Napier for his work in Lafayette, but that didn't warrant the control he was given to run the program.

And Napier, he amasses a huge army of analysts and off-field staff, 2 OL coaches, but then doesn't have a ST coord, OC, and does all the play calling and game management himself?

It just doesn't make sense, like why go so heavy on support and then try to do all that by yourself? While trying to adapt to an SEC learning curve?

The whole thing has been so ridiculous.

To top it off, the obvious hire in 2021 was Lane. It was so fricking easy to make:

1. Actual elite offensive mind (not an overrated and outdated on like Dan or Jimbo)

2. SEC/NFL/Blue blood (USC) HC experience

3. Not only worked for Saban, but actually had Saban go to him for guidance, not the other way around

4. Wears a visor and talks shite (like Spurrier) and gets overly animated and emotional on the sidelines during games (like Urban)

6. Above Average HS recruiter and elite portal recruiter

But Stricklin had to show everyone how "clever" he was with Napier.

For the record, I think Napier could become a good HC at a P5 program some day. I just don't think he was ready for this one, and isn't one now.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30606 posts
Posted on 12/16/23 at 4:04 am to
Napier was the next big thing when Florida hired him.
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